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I know what the difference is, but I don't know the 'correct application' of each.

Can someone give a quick history/timeline & country of use of tye non-rolled & rolled edge buttstocks? Obviously KP guns can have whatever is available...

I want to know why one would be more desireable over the other & when to use.

I'm doing a 103K Saiga & this issue has come up......

Thanks!
 

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If you are doing a Saiga 103K you should have the Russian 5.5mm hinge pin flat edge/flat buttplate triangle sidefolder to be correct.
 

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I thought that there were only two different AKSU triangle folding stocks; one Bulgarian and one Russian. :neutral:
 

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From what I understand, the early model stocks had a rolled edge which were Soviet produced. The second Soviet variation lacked the rolled edges, as did the Bulgarain triangle stock's. I do not believe Bulagria ever produced a rolled edge stock. If some Bulgarian rifle's had them, they were probably Russian, as some of those interchange with the Bulgarian pin size as well.
 

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lionhart said:
I do not believe Bulagria ever produced a rolled edge stock.

All the new Bulgi Krink kits I have been getting from K-Var are 4.5 pin rolled edge with ribbed butts.
 

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Those stocks are Russian..

At least that's what I've been told from TANTAL.

Bulgaria never produced a rolled edged stock.

I bough six Soviet triangle stock's from K-Var that were Soviet produced, with ribbed buttplates, rolled edged, and took the 4.5 pin.
 

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My 1984 Tula clone has a rolled edge, ribbed buttplate Tula stock on it. 4.5mm pin. The earlier Krinkovs had the rolled edge struts, while the later Russian ones had straight struts (if I'm not mistaken).
 

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lionhart said:
Those stocks are Russian..

At least that's what I've been told from TANTAL.

Bulgaria never produced a rolled edged stock.

I bough six Soviet triangle stock's from K-Var that were Soviet produced, with ribbed buttplates, rolled edged, and took the 4.5 pin.
How do you know they are Russian other than Tantal telling you? Not trying to flame but just want to know.
 

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K-Var advertised them as Russian when they were selling them separately. . When I was talking with Doug (TANTAL) we got on the subject of these stock's... Apparently, Bulgaria never made any with rolled edges, only Russia did at first, and later switched to the non folded variety. Some had ribbed buttplate's, and some didn't. That's the information that I got. IE-Bulgaria didn't make stock's with rolled edges, but Russia started out doing so, with some that accepted the 4.5 pin for Bulgarain rifle's.
 

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Here is a picture of 4 different types.

From left to right

Russian smooth butt with non-rolled strut edges - used on Russian Izhmash made AKS74 rifles and Izhmash made AKSU rifles and some Bulgarian made AKS74 rifles

Bulgarian ribbed butt with non-rolled strut edge - used on Bulgarian made AKS74 and AKSU rifles.

Russian ribbed butt with rolled strut edges - used on Tula made AKSU rifles

Russian ribbed butt with rolled strut edges this variant has more material rolled over on the strut edges - used on Tula made AKSU rifles



The above info is generally what is accept "as gospel" by the western collecting community. I am sure there are exceptions to this but generally is probably correct.
 

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i have a rolled edge folding stock, i bought it as a bulgarian side folder for 140$. is there any way to tell its russian other than from what ive read on this thread? like aresnal markings or mold markings?
 

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the only ones I have sen with mold numbers are the Izhmash made ones.







The Tula stocks have some proof marrks on the trunnions and the stock assemblies. In addition to the ones in the picture some of the Tula made ones have multiple proof marks on the reinforcement plates where the strut arms come together on the trunnion end.



The thread below (second page) has some pictures of an Izzy made trunnion with proof marks and mold numbers.
http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=61958
 

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well after looking my trunion over i didnt find any mold marks, but the stock has a square with a circle in it, a crylic looking A, and some faint circle marks init, im assuming this is a Russian Tula folding stock? it has ribbed butt plate and rolled edges.
 

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That sounds correct to me for a Tula.
 

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Here is a triangle folder with a ribbed butt and rolled strut edges that I bought from KVAR in June of this year. The mark looks like a large, sloppy, open-top "4" or a sideways "J". Is this Tula?






 
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