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What would happen if you were caught (i.e. pulled over or something) carrying concealed and you didn't physically have your CCW permit/card on you? I know it probably varies widely from state to state, but I was wondering if you'd basically be arrested and/or fined, charged with a misdemeanor, etc. Surely there has to be some way a cop could call it in or check on the computer in his cruiser based on my DL number, social, name/address, etc.

I ask this because last year I took a trip to Florida and I stupidly left my FL CCW permit at home because I don't carry stuff I don't need every day in my wallet should it get lost or stolen. FL doesn't recognize my home state or my AZ permit since it's a non-resident one. I carried anyway and nothing came of it, thankfully.
 

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to my knowledge I thought Florida did reconize Arizona permits, and vice versa. This is the info I got

Florida reconizes permits from: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delware, georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Lousiiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, north /carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wyoming


Arizona reconizes permits from: Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Noth Dakato, Oklahoma, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wyoming.

When you say that Florida doesn't reconize your Arizona permit because it is a none Arizona resident permit what state do you live in? Are you know a resident of Florida? I have a similar situation. I have a Florida permit but moved to Georgia. Georgia reconizes my Florida permit if I'm a non resident but since I have established residence I need to get a Georgia CCW permit.
 

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brownstown said:
to my knowledge I thought Florida did reconize Arizona permits, and vice versa. This is the info I got

Florida reconizes permits from: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delware, georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Lousiiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, north /carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wyoming


Arizona reconizes permits from: Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Noth Dakato, Oklahoma, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wyoming.
Nope. Must be an actual resident permit from Arizona. Click on AZ in the link below and you'll see that for FL. I don't know why that is because FL honors a lot of other states' permits and doesn't have a stipulation about non-resident ones. AL and GA are two, for example.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

Also, here's an official FL link. Note that AZ has a #6 footnote next to it which is the non-resident thing.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/c ... carry.html

As for AZ, they recognize ANY permit of ANY kind from all 50 states. God, I love AZ! It took a grand total of NINE freakin' days from my mailbox to me having my AZ renewal permit in hand and that was mailing the form all the way from Connecticut!
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In bold, right at the top.

http://www.azdps.gov/ccw/reciprocity/default.asp

When you say that Florida doesn't reconize your Arizona permit because it is a none Arizona resident permit what state do you live in? Are you know a resident of Florida? I have a similar situation. I have a Florida permit but moved to Georgia. Georgia reconizes my Florida permit if I'm a non resident but since I have established residence I need to get a Georgia CCW permit.
I currently live in Connecticut so I MUST have a FL permit since FL doesn't recognize CT nor does FL recognize an AZ non-resident permit. I needed that permit on my when I went to Florida, but I forgot to put it in my wallet because I don't carry it around every day because I rarely need it.
 

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So your residence is in Connecticut but your permit is from Arizona. I wish alot of the states had the same gun friendly laws as Arizona...seems like a good state for gun owners.

So you have a Arizona permit and a floida permit?
 

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So your residence is in Connecticut but your permit is from Arizona?
Yeah, I got it when I lived in AZ and just kept it up to date. I have family there and in FL. I know I could drop the AZ one since they recognize every one else's, but I love my home state and want to support it. I plan to retire back there and it's easier to keep it renewed than have to do the class and every thing else all over again. Much more expensive as the renewal is good for 5 years and only costs $43. I figure I'll only have to renew it two more times before I move back. If it expires, I have to start at ground zero all over again. $86 is much cheaper than just taking the class alone with the required ammo, not to mention fingerprints, processing the application, new background check, etc. Renewal is much less hassle.

So you have a Arizona permit and a floida permit?
Yup, and a Connecticut one, too.
 

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So do you just use your family addy when It comes time to renew your Arizona and Florida permits? I imagine that is the only way as they would most likely not renew if they new you lived in Connecticut.
No, AZ has my CT address on file. They do not care. In fact, AZ doesn't even issue a "non-resident" permit. The address is not on the permit, nor is there a picture. On the back, it says it is only valid in conjunction with a valid photo ID. My CT driver's license or my military ID would suffice.

My Florida permit has my CT address on it, but, as I said, I need it because FL doesn't recognize CT. Hardly any one does because CT recognizes NO ONE else's! Typical fucking New England...just another tax. If you want to carry in CT, pony up the $$$ because it's all about the cashola up here. Another shitty thing about the CT permit is you MUST have it to transport a handgun in ANY way. Doesn't matter if it's unloaded, detail stripped and locked in 5 different containers, etc. If that handgun is to leave your house or place of business (if you're the owner), you MUST have that permit or risk a Class D felony for illegal transportation. I was surprised that CT is the 4th highest state in the US of the percentage of adults that can legally have a permit to the adults that actually have it. Higher than AZ, FL, and TX! When I first moved here, I was surprised because I thought New England was pretty much anti-gun until I found out that fact. Even that little old lady with a .38 snubby in her night stand must have that permit if she wants to practice at the range once or twice a year but has no intention of ever carrying concealed a day in her life. :roll: :evil:

And, CT, being the communist state that it is, has police who will do spot checks at the range. Every range I've been to makes you show your permit before getting access to the range and I've been told that even if you leave because you don't have a permit, they'll call the cops on your ass and get your license plate number. I have a former co-worker sitting in jail right now for having three handguns at the range with no permit and an undercover agent made the range cold and checked for everyones' permits. I told that idiot fucker about the law and needing the permit, but he's a hard headed southern boy "I'm an a 'Murrican" Larry the Cable Guy type and he felt he didn't need no stinkin' permit just to go target shooting. WRONG!!! Enjoy those three Class D FELONIES and surrendering your right to own ANY firearms forever, idiot.
 

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I thought FL would not give a non resident a CWP.. if I'm wrong I'de love it.. Plan on moving to GA, and my FL CWP has more state reciprocity than GAs does. I just thought I read some where being a GA resident I couldn't get a FL CWP.
 

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Well if you wanted to you can become a new "Hellier Test Case" to get clarity on CCW laws.


I am waiting for someone to post a pic of a home build full auto so they can get clarity for how the NFA applies to Hellier.
 

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Most States issue the CC Permit in conjunction with the drivers license. Currently, Tennessee issues a seperate card for CC but it flags when your DL # is called in.

I don't condone carrying without a permit,....................but I don't condone allowing one's self to be a victim either. :wink:
 

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silkywilson said:
I thought FL would not give a non resident a CWP.. if I'm wrong I'de love it.. Plan on moving to GA, and my FL CWP has more state reciprocity than GAs does. I just thought I read some where being a GA resident I couldn't get a FL CWP.
That may be true, but I'm not sure. However, I'm pretty darned sure they issue non-resident permits. I originally was a FL resident when I got my permit, but changed my address when I moved to CT and was issued a new permit with no hassle at all. I've also renewed it out of state as well.

If they didn't issue non-resident permits, I'd think they'd have me surrender/destroy my permit instead of updating my out of state address and letting me renew it.
 

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I don't condone carrying without a permit,....................but I don't condone allowing one's self to be a victim either. :wink:
I hear ya Johno, but here's the thing. I "had" a permit and was licensed to carry, but I just didn't have the stupid card on me at the time. FL states that it is a 3rd degree felony to carry concealed without any permit at all, BUT that does not apply to people LICENSED to carry. Even without the card, I'm still licensed.

(2) A person who carries a concealed firearm on or about his or her person commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) This section does not apply to a person licensed to carry a concealed weapon or a concealed firearm pursuant to the provisions of s. 790.06.

Official FL link below.

http://tinyurl.com/667w5z
 

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Here you go, scroll about half way down.

http://personaldefensesolutions.net/
Mmmm, that's all fine and good, but it still comes down to the author's interpretation in a lot of cases. I prefer to get the actual LAW from the state's actual website and not a 3rd party. People buy those books and rely on them year after year even though the LAWS in a particular state may have changed.
 

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AFAIK

In Oregon you must have your permit on you to carry, Carrying with out it causes you to lose permit and never be eligible for another as well as being subject to whatever concealed carry laws you have broken.
 

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Flyingjibus said:
AFAIK

In Oregon you must have your permit on you to carry, Carrying with out it causes you to lose permit and never be eligible for another as well as being subject to whatever concealed carry laws you have broken.
Yikes.


In VA, it is a class 1 misdemeanor to concealed carry a weapon without a permit. However, it does not specify whether that is with a license on you or licensed in general.

Regardless, if they did try to nail someone who did have a permit but forgot it, at least he could still own guns (not a felonious nor violent offense).
 

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Most States issue the CC Permit in conjunction with the drivers license. Currently, Tennessee issues a seperate card for CC but it flags when your DL # is called in.

I don't condone carrying without a permit,....................but I don't condone allowing one's self to be a victim either. :wink:
Really? Which states? I have a CCW in three states and they all issue a separate card/license from the DL. I've never heard of a CCW/DL combo on the same card. I'd hate that as well. Why should I have to divulge my CCW every time I have to show my driver's license? It's not always about being pulled over or something.

Plus, what if you don't drive and don't have a DL? Believe it or not, there are BLIND people out there who have been issued CCW licenses. :shock:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... apons.html
 

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You dont operate a motor vehicle without a drivers license in your immediate possession, and you dont conceal carry without a CWP in your immediate possession. Doing so is unlawful.
 

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You dont operate a motor vehicle without a drivers license in your immediate possession, and you dont conceal carry without a CWP in your immediate possession. Doing so is unlawful.
Yeah, so is speeding when you find yourself 10 mph over the limit on the highway on I-10 in the middle of the desert and didn't even realize it. Does that mean a person in that circumstance who got pulled over should forfeit the right to ever drive again and be PROSECUTED?

Shit happens. Have you NEVER forgot your wallet and walked out the door? If so, I call BS.

And your blanket statement of not carrying concealed without a permit in your immediate possession doesn't fly in Alaska or Vermont, you know.

Again, I am NOT advocating carrying without having the permit on you. I was asking about a case where you simply forgot it, but still had a VALID permit in the SYSTEM which could be easily looked up.
 

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In Tennessee, your CC Permit number is the same as your DL number, they are working towards making a seperate endorsment, like the one for a motorcycle endorsement, to be added to your DL.

In Tennessee, I have been pulled over without my DL in my posession, I have my DL number memorized and this was sufficient.

Alot will depend on the circumstances, attitude of yourself and the responding Officer. :wink:
 
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