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The big reason for my need to sell a bunch of stuff... bills, and an impulse buy. It was actually a really, really good deal... but for a student, a low cost is still a cost and yikes, I went overboard.


The rifle is a Carcano carbine. The barrel shank is octagonal, and on the visible sides, it has the following markings:

"FP"
(In an oval) 'FARE TERNI' then 17 and a star
"TERNI"
"OK194x"


The receiver has a circular stamp on it. The bolt has "AP" and then in a circle "BD". The stock has a huge crown in a square and... yes... "FAG" under the crown. Below that is an XL, then serial number. The rifle is NOT import marked. The stock is not cracked. The rifle has two sling setups, one on the side and one on the bottom, both are there originally. I think that was a neat idea on the Italian's part.



The BAD:

1. The receiver has a lot of bluing wear and patina. No rust or pitting, but it is worn.
2. The numbers do not match.

The GOOD:

1. The rifling is deep and the barrel isn't pitted, and this thing does amazingly on the bullet drop test.
2. The action is extremely smooth, and the two stage trigger beats every mil-surp I've handled to date. No, it wasn't re-worked.
3. The rifle is not sporterized, at all.
4. It is 100% complete... even the cleaning rod.
5. The whole rifle is void of rust and pitting.
6. It goes with my Beretta 1934, and I'm happy.


What does everyone think? For $100, was it a good buy?








 

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Templar said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tQ1yvV9xxM

:lol:


Interesting you say that, it was sold to me in a box labeled "Library Curtains"... J/FK... er... J/K. :shock: :lol:


Ok, seriously though... why are these things unpopular? Light as an M-1 carbine, 6 rounds, VERY nice action (fast to cycle) and the trigger beats the Mauser. Quick to pull to shoulder, too.
 

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Unpopularity usually stems from the poor performance of the Italian troops in WWI and WWII. Same thing with French rifles.....it's just a projection onto the system as a whole.

They were decent enough rifles for the calibers they were chambered in.

One big hang up for me is that you need to use the Mannlicher clips if you want to shoot it as a repeater.

Hornaday is making high quality ammo for them now.
 

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Templar said:
Unpopularity usually stems from the poor performance of the Italian troops in WWI and WWII. Same thing with French rifles.....it's just a projection onto the system as a whole.

They were decent enough rifles for the calibers they were chambered in.

One big hang up for me is that you need to use the Mannlicher clips if you want to shoot it as a repeater.

Hornaday is making high quality ammo for them now.

Yeah, but Garands need en-blocs and they are still popular. I guess the troop thing is the biggest deal, the Italians weren't exactly #1 on the field; and regarding French stuff... dead on.

This one is in 6.5x52mm, so not TOO bad. They had Privi ammo at the show for $10 a box... far, far from cheap but I got a box just to try this rifle out. Summer school ends in a week and then I'll be able to shoot some rounds through it.
 

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Templar said:
Sure, but I can walk into most decent gun shops and find Garand clips.

Not so much with Italian Carcano clips........... :oops:

The solution, then, is to be so accurate that you only NEED one clip. :twisted:
 

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Seems like a good price considering the condition.

Now where is the obligatory pic of you holding it in your back yard with some kind of papers in the other hand?
 

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Templar said:
BillSXT2002 said:
Now where is the obligatory pic of you holding it in your back yard with some kind of papers in the other hand?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


LOL I just saw my new avatar! Holy shit thats priceless! :lol: :lol:
 

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I have the EXACT same rifle in unissued condition. I have never been able to find out what the exact designation for it is.....they made so many variations. Anybody know??
 

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Q-gunner2 said:
This one is in 6.5x52mm, so not TOO bad. They had Privi ammo at the show for $10 a box... far, far from cheap but I got a box just to try this rifle out.
You're lucky you don't have one in 7.35mm like me. They haven't imported or manufactured ammo in that caliber since before I was born.
 

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Just a little happy note, I found out the buttstock was renumbered along the bottom of it... and it matches the receiver! :grin:
 

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What model number is this rifle?
 

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At some point someone (or someones like SGN) is going to do a write-up on how good Carcanos are and that the flaws are exactly as detailed above.

Then, no more $100 "6.5mm Carcano M91TS Moschetto per Truppe Speciali (Special Troops carbine)" which is what it appears you have!

Nice work Q-gunner2; again!

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Links to image & info -

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/carcano38.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl21-e.htm

http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/armisrc.htm

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/models.html
 

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pffft... a hundred bucks? You did good man. I think its a pretty nice looking rifle myself.
 
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