Which 5.45 Milsurp is best?
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Hey BigAl..
How's your bolts holding up to the corrosive ammo? You getting in rings of corrision forming on your bolts around the firing pin?
How's your bolts holding up to the corrosive ammo? You getting in rings of corrision forming on your bolts around the firing pin?
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The Bulgarian stuff is definitely A LOT hotter than the Russian stuff.
If you have a Krinkov, take off the flashider and fire a mag of Russian ammo, then fire a mag of Bulgarian ammo. You will hear, feel, and see the difference :animak:
If you have a Krinkov, take off the flashider and fire a mag of Russian ammo, then fire a mag of Bulgarian ammo. You will hear, feel, and see the difference :animak:
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Better Mil-Surp
Hi Folks....
Just my two cents worth:
You will probably note improved accuracy with the '76 Soviet, Tula-manufactured stuff.
The Bulgarian is OK, but as far as 7N6, you will see the best groups are always a bit larger with it than with "old" Soviet ammo.
I have shot both extensively through a few '74 models and an SSG-82 DDR bolt gun.
As far as hotter ammo, both are the same velocity in a standard barrel.
My guess is that the increased flash and blast of Bulgarian fodder would be due to a somewhat slower powder burn rate, or a less effective flash-suppressant formula. I too have noticed this effect, but the chronograph says the velocity is within normal batch-to-batch variance. No clear winner in the velocity department.
~FFF
Hi Folks....
Just my two cents worth:
You will probably note improved accuracy with the '76 Soviet, Tula-manufactured stuff.
The Bulgarian is OK, but as far as 7N6, you will see the best groups are always a bit larger with it than with "old" Soviet ammo.
I have shot both extensively through a few '74 models and an SSG-82 DDR bolt gun.
As far as hotter ammo, both are the same velocity in a standard barrel.
My guess is that the increased flash and blast of Bulgarian fodder would be due to a somewhat slower powder burn rate, or a less effective flash-suppressant formula. I too have noticed this effect, but the chronograph says the velocity is within normal batch-to-batch variance. No clear winner in the velocity department.
~FFF
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what kind of groups are you getting with Soviet 7n6 from the SSG-82?
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Better 7N6
Hi PM...
In an SSG-82, groups with Soviet 7N6 have been hovering around 1 3/4".
Pretty good for military ball. Bulgarian has been anything over 2 1/2"
The commercial Barnaul lead-core that was available a few years ago is notably better, with 1 3/8" being typical in that gun. Also, it is non-corrosive, the unlined East German barrel has seen more of that ammo.
Dynamit Nobel (RWS) that came with these guns is sometimes a sub-minute (1") performer, but not reliably.
The gun is action-bedded in glass, and the barrel unsupported. Standard 4x glass, six shot groups at 100 yards from a shooting-bagged rest.
Oddly, the mil-spec Bulgarian '74 builds often seem capable of an honest two-inch group with Soviet 7N6 ammo when shot off of a rest. Izhevsk Design Bureau did their homework well. Bulgarian 7N6 shoots a three to four inch rested group.
Has anyone here tested Soviet 7N10 enough to see how it groups by comparison?
-FFF
Hi PM...
In an SSG-82, groups with Soviet 7N6 have been hovering around 1 3/4".
Pretty good for military ball. Bulgarian has been anything over 2 1/2"
The commercial Barnaul lead-core that was available a few years ago is notably better, with 1 3/8" being typical in that gun. Also, it is non-corrosive, the unlined East German barrel has seen more of that ammo.
Dynamit Nobel (RWS) that came with these guns is sometimes a sub-minute (1") performer, but not reliably.
The gun is action-bedded in glass, and the barrel unsupported. Standard 4x glass, six shot groups at 100 yards from a shooting-bagged rest.
Oddly, the mil-spec Bulgarian '74 builds often seem capable of an honest two-inch group with Soviet 7N6 ammo when shot off of a rest. Izhevsk Design Bureau did their homework well. Bulgarian 7N6 shoots a three to four inch rested group.
Has anyone here tested Soviet 7N10 enough to see how it groups by comparison?
-FFF
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so far the best in terms of QC overall has been the Ukranian stuff, with the Kazak, then Vympel/siberian, Novisibersk, Barnual, Tula, Ulyanovsk. best to worst in that order for the Soviet surplus.
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so how do I tell which is which again? marking on the tin, and / or crate?
edit: I did find this - Headstamp Codes to identify makers - will this link help to read the markings on the 5.45 tin / crate?
edit: I did find this - Headstamp Codes to identify makers - will this link help to read the markings on the 5.45 tin / crate?
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that website has them all, then just find the headstamp on the tin and match it up is the easyest way to describe it. there is a post somwhere on here with the tin marking brakedown
it has year, factory, powder and primer lots, caliber, designation (core material ect..) all on the tin
it has year, factory, powder and primer lots, caliber, designation (core material ect..) all on the tin
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i bought a little of the bulgarian and a little of the russian last year to try both and see what i liked. the russian is cleaner and in my opinion does not stink as bad. they both shot pretty close out of a romanian '74. needless to say i made a large purchase of russian. i got it at around 10.5 cents a round. it is very accurate and consistant ammo. especially for the price. you can't even reload used brass for that price.
i have recently made a large purchase of hotshot 68gr 5.45. mostly to plink with out of my M&P 15R. it is not very accurate but when you buy $500 the shipping is free and it made it around 12.5 cents. for non-corrosive it's a steal. i tested it in a tantal, a sar2, and century tantal. it worked fine in all but the century build with the fubared barrel.
i have recently made a large purchase of hotshot 68gr 5.45. mostly to plink with out of my M&P 15R. it is not very accurate but when you buy $500 the shipping is free and it made it around 12.5 cents. for non-corrosive it's a steal. i tested it in a tantal, a sar2, and century tantal. it worked fine in all but the century build with the fubared barrel.
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