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Took my brand new 107FR to the range on sunday....

Well im sad to say it was shooting 3 feet to the left at 75 yards.

This has got to be one of the worst exp. i have ever had with a ak.

Paying $800+ for the rifle, im really bumbed about it. Now i gotta take it back to the store i got it from and figure out the next steps. This is not something i was planning on.

This is my first experience with a bulgarian and its a BAD one.

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Call Julia at Arsenal and get an RGA (Return Goods Authorization number). She'll give you complete instructions.

This answers a question I've had as to whether the Desert Sand ones are "safe" or not.


Sorry you got a bad one: the good news is that they're fixing and returning this in about 2-3 weeks tops.
 

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yeah, but iv seen some picks of the rifles returned, and they look HORRIBLE. the front sight all chewed up looking like they just put it in a vice.

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Mine looked fine when it came back, with a couple of hardly noticeable marks that could very easily have been made with my sight tool.
 

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drakinclaw said:
yeah, but iv seen some picks of the rifles returned, and they look HORRIBLE. the front sight all chewed up looking like they just put it in a vice.

Drakin
You've seen ONE guy who got a messed up front sight back, that's it.

It shouldn't have happened and I know you're bummed, but give them a call and they'll take care of it.
 

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yeah no worries guys, seems like we are carrying the same discussion in two threads so ill just carry on the conversation in the other thread i posted.

Thanks for the helpfull comments!

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:neutral:

Damn, I almost plunked down the ol' Master Card yesterday on a SLR-107FR thinking the FSB cant thing is done and over with. Damn.

drakin, does your 107 have a 74 style brake or the flash hider?
 

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Flash Hider.
you got an old one, i dont think any of the ones coming with comps are having the same issues
 

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Flash Hider.
Ah ha! Hmmm...perhaps all is not lost. I am sorry to hear of your troubles, but the 107FR I was looking at had the '74 Brake. I asked to see the test target (which I thought they were shipping out with and the new 107FRs) and the lackey behind the counter gave me the ?? face. Of course this was after trying to shove a Century Romy G with black painted wood down my throat saying it was everything the Arsenal was at half the price :lol: Maybe I should just talk to the owner next time. If he can't come up with the box and a proof target I'll pass on it.
 

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You may have to explain the test target thing to them.

I understand quite a few were shipped without the test target even after Arsenal told everyone they were going to start including them.
 

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I'm sure I'll have to break it down for him. I did mention the canted FSB issue to him and he once again gave me the ?? face. Said he never heard of anything like that. Then he said something to the effect of "Arsenal is the Colt of AKs" and blah blah blah. :roll:
 

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Beating a dead horse...

Notice that our friend posted on July 21st. As I've said before, without a comprehensive recall of the 107? Any purchase of this model = a trip to Reno. You may win, you may loose. It all depends on what a dealer has in stock.

The best thing for both Arsenal, and us, is to issue a formal recall on the affected serial numbers. This will clear the reputation of the 107 once and for all.
 

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The best thing for both Arsenal, and us, is to issue a formal recall on the affected serial numbers. This will clear the reputation of the 107 once and for all.

As long as people keep buying their rifles, they will never do any such thing, nor will they admit publicly how extensive the problem is.

Only if it were a safety issue like excessive headspace would they do a recall to stop the lawsuits.

Their opinion, obviously, is that their "reputation" is better served by being as tight-lipped about this as possible.
 

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I agree. Still though to shamelessly quote Fight Club:

"I apply the formula, A the number of units currently in the field, times B the projected rate of failure, times C the average out of court settlement equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall then we won't do one."

A (the number of rifles sold)
B (the projected number of rifles affected)
C (the cost of repairing the rifle at the factory + return shipping (should pay shipping both ways, but they don't, which is another cheap way of duping the formula))

≤ X

Therefor they will not issue a recall. Nor will they make a broad far reaching public statement, like something on their web page, which would announce the problem and damage their credibility. It's a shame.
 

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I know it sucks but I've bought enough guns in my life to have bought new lemons from many of the major manufactures (Colt, S&W, Kimber. . .). I don't like it but it happens.

I had to send two back. Yeah I was annoyed that I had to do it and annoyed that I had to pay but they fixed them in only a few days and now I have two really great AKs. The FSBs look stock, no ugly marks at all. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.
 

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Arsenal will make it right; however they should be paying shipping and insurance IMO.

Hmph - Bulgarians.
 

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I know it sucks but I've bought enough guns in my life to have bought new lemons from many of the major manufactures (Colt, S&W, Kimber. . .). I don't like it but it happens.

I had to send two back. Yeah I was annoyed that I had to do it and annoyed that I had to pay but they fixed them in only a few days and now I have two really great AKs. The FSBs look stock, no ugly marks at all. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.

I know what you're saying, and I know several people agree with you, but taking that attitude is exactly why these companies don't pursue excellence and continue to turn out product with huge quality issues.

You mention Kimber prominently. I know people, myself included, who have sworn off of Kimber because of their quality issues. Sure, maybe they are selling so many they don't care who has sworn off them. And so round and round it goes. Manufacturers get to keep turning out sloppy product knowing there are legions of people ready to plunk down their money and take a chance they'll "get a good one." I know I did it too, but NO MORE.

I know I'm on a rant here, but if every paying customer out there would just swear off a manufacturer's products until they see a marked improvement in quality and attitude, then maybe we would all be able to demand AND GET a higher standard than is the case now.

Sure, I've bought Arsenal's rifles over the years, and little quality issues have popped up now and again. Up until lately it was nothing more than annoying. But lately it's gotten worse. Between reliability problems with the 106's and sighting problems with the 107's, their issues are almost spiralling out of control.

Case in point: of the three or four SA M7R's I own or have owned, ONE of them had a sighting issue. I chalk that up to an acceptable "mistake" and one that doesn't happen too often. In other words, forgiveable.

But when nearly every person on the internet who buys a 107 can't zero the thing, that is NOT acceptable. Even Arsenal admitted that a huge number of the 107's produced have this problem.

The thing to do is to STOP BUYING their products RIGHT NOW and continue to boycott them until they make some changes. I've said it before, but a public admission of the problem and what steps are being taken to address it would be a good start. Trotsky's idea of a recall would do the same thing.

That's the only way they will get the message. When distributors end up cancelling orders for more, and try to send back what they've got, then the company will sit up and take notice.
 

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Part of me agrees with you Zane, really. The other part of me thinks that since there aren't very many U.S. AK manufactures like Arsenal around, we should work with them to improve their quality so that they can stick around for the long haul. Boycotting them and putting them out of business does us no good. They had a problem, admitted it to me on the phone, and fixed it promptly. It's not my ideal buying experience but worked out in the end; now I am a happy Arsenal owner.

About not paying for shipping, I still don't like that but whatever, I'm not going to loose sleep over it. I forgot about that cost already and have moved on to really enjoy the time at the range with my father learning about AKs. If you want to boycott them go right ahead but I won't.

I have the same feelings about Colt. I sent so many poorly made 1911's back to them that I lost count but they always tried to make it right. I want them to continue to be around and so I will continue to support them. My wife thinks I am crazy for supporting them and maybe I am but I just really don't want to see any more U.S. based firearms manufactures go out of business; Winchester should be a lesson for all of us. If we don't support these manufactures, who will?
 

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Does anyone have any information regardin serial numbers? Perhaps the bad batches can be separated from the good ones with this info.
 
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