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Hey, I am wanting to start building a Russian "Khyber pass style" rifle, and base it on the pics of the Uzbek rifles. From what I understand, the Russians made a run of AKMs for the Uzbek military, but with the AKs74 pattern folding stock. Is this true??

I read this in old posts regarding the uzbeki military pics showing the soldiers armed with these style rifles. Also, from what I remember, they had the late era gas blocks on them, so im guessing that if there was a russian production for the Uzbeks, then it was after 1972 or so? Any info on this is appreciated. Thanks!
 

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Sure wish someone had some info on this, I'd like to know, too.
 

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I live in Uzbekistan and served in Uzbek Armed Forces. I can assure you there are no Khyber-Pass rifles or any 7.62 caliber AKs issued to conscript soldiers in Army. The soldiers posess only AK-74, AK-74M, AKS-74, SVD, AK-74SU (with special units, demining brigades and grenade launcher units).
But, however, KPs were issued to special units of Border Security Forces of National Security Service as we can see from the pics apparently took in small town of Karasu bordering Kyrgyzstan. These units have their own arsenals and those places are obviously restricted. In propaganda videos on TV they show them brandishing Bizon SMGs, Vintorez and other special rifles.
I have been to police arms-depots but seen nothing like that, only AKSU, AKMs and AK-74Ms - no KPs. I have seen some AK-104 and AK-105s with president security, but again - no KPs.
This allows me to assume that limited edition KPs in Uzbekistan are issued to secret service's emergency combat brigades and border security special forces units. And most likely they are Russian made, I would even say - Izhmash made. But they could also have been homegrown. We have enough industrial facilities which can actually do such a work.
Today I've come across this picture - Saiga Mk


It looks quite like KP, except shorter barrel and flash suppressor. This can prove the probability about KP's origins. Besides, I've sent a letter to Izhmash guys seeking their assistance in clearing the situation.
I'm holding the matter and hope this can clarify anything to you.
 

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Kahramon, Thanks for the great info. We appreciate your input and we are eagerly waiting to hear more when you find out. How did you learn to speak (write) the English language so well?
 

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yeah, that rifle is just one of the UK/europe models, a sort of hybrid.
This is a cloudy subject I suppose. Oh well. I was hopig to find out some solid info on maybe a year that the production started.

Kahramon- I suppose if you were able to find out when the Uzbeki army was issued a new batch of small arms from the Russian Federation, or maybe even when they became an independent military force, that might tell us when the Soviet 7.62 side folders were made.

The thing is, does anyone have any MORE pics from that day in 2006 when that pic was taken showing the Uzebki soldier with the KP rifle?
IF we were able to see that MANY soldiers were armed with the KP style rifle, then that would DEFINATELY indicate that these were produced professionally, and most likely by Izhmash or Tula.
The thing is, from the pic Ive seen, one soldier has an aksu, and one soldier has a KP style rifle.

Dont you guys agree?? If pics were found with SEVERAL uzbeks holding KP style 7.62 s/f rifles, then we'd HAVE to assume that there biggest ally, Russia, made them for the uzbeki military or BG units.

Kahramon, I didnt know you LIVED in Uzbekistan! That is great! You might be the Worlds only hope for ever finding this out! talk soon....
 

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The thing is, does anyone have any MORE pics from that day in 2006 when that pic was taken showing the Uzebki soldier with the KP rifle?
IF we were able to see that MANY soldiers were armed with the KP style rifle, then that would DEFINATELY indicate that these were produced professionally, and most likely by Izhmash or Tula.
The thing is, from the pic Ive seen, one soldier has an aksu, and one soldier has a KP style rifle.
Folder with a slant brake visible:


Folder with a muzzle nut visible:


Folder with a slant brake visible:


Folder with steel 7.62 mag visible:
 

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thats awesome! I thought it was just that one guy. I think we can fairly say that these rifles MUST be Russian made contract rifles. That makes four different rifles. The only differences we can see between them is that one has a different muzzle brake. The thing is, these guys have two krinks in the pics, and they live close enough to russia, that there is NO WAY that they are short on 5.45 ammunition. This leaves NO REASON to switch the stocks off of AKs74 rifles. I suppose too much speculation is rediculous, but this does help.
I hope we find even more evidence of this, either way it turns out. This interests me.
After I finish my drawn-out 1976 AKMS build, im going to start on an Uzbeki contract rifle. I just hope it turns out to be an actual rifle.....
 

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So you are going to base "versions" off of two items that are removed on a routine basis?

Honestly, it seems a little weird that the Uzbeks are the only ones with a production version.. They have to be home grown.

If they are anything like any other former Soviet republic, they have enough Arms and ammo just left over from the Soviets to last a lifetime.. No need to buy new stuff.

If they were just Soviet left overs, they would have popped up elsewhere..
 

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Stottman got solid point. I haven't seen any other conflicts when such rifles were spotted. E.g. Chechnya, on Chechen war pictures I never seen anything like that, what makes me thinking such rifles are home grown here. (same story with Tajikistan, Karabakh, Moldova conflicts - no KPs seen)
As concerning my letter - I have asked Izhmash sales dept. V.P. Ozhegov,
Director on Marketing and Sales, "CONCERN "IZHMASH" OJSC, was very kind and recommended to address to Mr. Sergey Chemezov, General Director of "Rosoboroneksport", which is the diplomatic way to say "buzz off".
I am not losing any hope and holding to the matter, however :smile:
 

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to tell you the truth i don't remember seeing the so called kyber pass rifles during the soviet occupation,i may be wrong just a couple of cut down rpk's. The first time i saw it was in bin-ladens hands ,i called it a bin-laden special & built one in 2001.Anybody have pictures during soviet time?
 

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Isn't there an afghan-soviet war photograph with a khyber pass rifle in it? I think it was in a SOF magazine. Someone posted it a while back.
 

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Yes, I believe it was on the cover with a older Afgan Mujihid holding it.
 

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Yep, front one looks like an RPK receiver to me...
 

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What year and month is that cover?
 

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that's an RPK cut down & modifeid with a folding stock, look at the push button & locking latch on the other side.What i can't figure out is how they got the front catch in an RPK trunion, not only that but the gas block & front site base don't forget that niffty cleaning rod holder
 

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The one I seen had a older gray haired man holding a AKM (khyber style) I believe..........
 
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