How remarkable. That Jen would allow such...content...on her site

has it occurred to you that she has the same view, that is why they aren't deleted.

 

I guess I should go check back because I dont remember any racist stuff going on.

 

I check the Build and Marketplace forums over there pretty regularly but that's it. Too much unchecked asshattery. This is the place to be.

 

How remarkable. That Jen would allow such...content...on her site

has it occurred to you that she has the same view, that is why they aren't deleted.

I look at it as 'Jen' only pays attention when it affects INCOME. Both there and the Falfiles. The rest of it is 'open season' 24/7.

I have gotten ONE good piece of AK info there, and that was 'slicks' photo spread on how the spring in the PSL mag is SUPPOSE to go. Otherwise it is limited to buying two things there that I was lucky enough to get before the deal vacume person found and bought them. You know the one that got on here for a litle while until the Mods and Admins kicked him off so some of us mortals could buy things. LOL

For that thing and all the many other little things, I am glad to be here. If I want GOOD BBQ I will go to Memphis, Kansas City, or Texas, and NOT OHIO! LOL

 

Both sites have + & - factors. But obviously there is friction between them and that., by extension affects what the members feel toward the "other side".
Kinda like ole Gunplumber., a lot of good stuff to offer but you had to wade through the knee deep attitude and ego.
Amusing in some ways., but also sad that folks in the same hobby are squabbling over stuff. But so it goes. :dance:

This site is much more professional and better organized for content.

 

Krink,

In all honesty, I wouldn't have even bothered justifying their actions with a response. This site has been great since day 1 and a wealth of knowledge, not just for AK's but for about any platform you can think of. While it IS The AK Forum, you should consider adding some additional sections such as AR's, Shotguns, and Battle Rifles (FAL/HK/M1A/Garand). I understand you are keeping it AK centric here but with the way you run this place (outstanding), it would be nice to have sections to talk about other platfoms other than in the GD and not have to deal with the BS involved on other sites with general jackassery. Keep up the great work!

CMS

 

Krink,

In all honesty, I wouldn't have even bothered justifying their actions with a response. This site has been great since day 1 and a wealth of knowledge, not just for AK's but for about any platform you can think of. While it IS The AK Forum, you should consider adding some additional sections such as AR's, Shotguns, and Battle Rifles (FAL/HK/M1A/Garand). I understand you are keeping it AK centric here but with the way you run this place (outstanding), it would be nice to have sections to talk about other platfoms other than in the GD and not have to deal with the BS involved on other sites with general jackassery. Keep up the great work!

CMS

I would like to see other sections too.By far, this is where I spend most of my time on-line.Thanks for all the hard work Krink!!

 

Krink,

In all honesty, I wouldn't have even bothered justifying their actions with a response.

CMS

I agree, but when my account is banned with little or no explanation other than "multiple IDs" I felt the need to put an explanation so our members would understand the entire story. As I said, I had received a couple of emails from members asking me about the ban.

Bob Williams of Akron Armory deleted the original thread from his forum, where the "Bulgy74" account was used to trip him up. In fact, he deleted all the threads in his forum on multiple discussion boards where he is an active vendor. His explanation? "Since it appears to be in fashion....I've deleted all of the zillion view/post threads in this forum." Never heard of doing something like that...unless you wanted to hide something, or you wanted to reinvent oneself. Makes no difference to me, and I am glad I archived that particular thread for a rainy day. Had I not, it would have been Bob feeding his subjects more Bob-b-Que with no one to show the actual truth of the matter.

Bob wants so much to project that he is not the "universal villain of all time" and I don't believe anyone has ever said he is of questionable character other than Bob Williams himself by his own actions. One example that comes to mind in the archived thread is the business relationship and subsequent falling out he experienced with JJ Wannamacher, Dan Tobin, and the late Todd Grove. Bob Williams only said it was a "parting of ways" but if you talk to JJ and Dan you will get a seriously different story. There was a small matter of $40,000 being owed to Ohio Rapid Fire and the State of Ohio issuing a Judgement against Bob Williams dba Akron Armory. Prior to the Judgement (12 months) all parties were ordered to Arbitration, but Bob Williams would never show up. With the court date approaching, Bob Williams decided to file Bankruptcy the day before he was to undergo a court ordered financial disclosure. The legal documents are out there on the Internet somewhere as Todd Grove had them on his web server as a matter of record. As I said, anyone wishing to verify the information above can easily contact either two of the three business partners. Todd Grove left a son, TJ. I'm sure that $40,000 would have made a nice college fund for him, but it is what it is.

The other example that comes to mind is the "PTB" fiasco on the AK Files. I did find the archived thread. I believe it's about five pages long. Quite a bit of the information that came out on the AK Files about Bob's use of the PTB Moderator account falls right in line with the marketing practices that Todd Grove told me, as well as Dan Tobin. As Todd is deceased, anyone wanting to verify the information above can easily contact Dan at Dan's Ammo.

I believe there was another example concerning Bob's customer service (or lack thereof) that played out on AR15.COM, and Rotdorn (known as Jeepcreep then) had to work each member's issue direct until all business transactions were completed/resolved. It's been a few years since the days on AR15.COM and I will have to search some of my old hard drives to see if I archived the thread. If not, anyone with a "Team Membership" on ARFCOM can search the archive server for the thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/76052 ... tml&page=1


I had really thought the issues with Bob Williams had died off, but when I see him post a thread that he is assisting IanMor with cleaning house on the AK Files, and I get a subsequent ban for something that happened six years ago, I figure Bob Williams wants to drag the "dead fish out of the trash can" and start anew. Then I see his thread where he is telling his subjects "lookie-lookie" at what SDRAKE100 has to say about the AK Forum. After seeing this type of behavior from Bob Williams I figure he just wants to go back to poking people in the eye. Whatever......

So, in summary, do I want bad things to happen to Bob Williams? No. He is a business man that is trying to make a living the best way he knows how. Unfortunately, his marketing principles and technique are not in line with The AK Forum and we do not care to have him here. I told him this in the archived thread, and I also told our membership if they wanted to do business with him they could do so at:

- Akron Armory Official Website
- Akron Armory on The Fal Files Forum
- Akron Armory on The AK Files
- Akron Armory on The DirtyDozens Bunker

or contact him via:

Email at "AkronArmory@aol.com"
Phone at 330.923.5357
US Mail at Akron Armory, P.O. Box 47, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44222


Also, in Bob's most recent "poke him in the eye" thread, he mentions a post on Subguns.com where someone going by the name "KC" at khc3@earthlink.net stated:

"Troy Sellars and his side kick krinkfreak have been banned at many message boards for attacking other dealers using fake names. Its been proven without a doubt. There is a web page being made that will show all the proof."

That post was made in Sep 2002. That was roughly the time I was kicked off GunsNet for outting Gary Gucciano for being a fraud. There was a massive pile-on by GunsNet Loyalists that chased myself and Troy Sellars from GunsNet to KVAR, and we eventually landed on the AK side of AR15.COM. My question is "Where is the website that KC said was going to be created in 2002 to show all the proof?"

Anyway.......it's the Internet ladies and gentlemen. You find all types out there...some good, some bad.

KF

 

Krink,

...This site has been great since day 1 and a wealth of knowledge, not just for AK's but for about any platform you can think of. While it IS The AK Forum, you should consider adding some additional sections such as AR's, Shotguns, and Battle Rifles (FAL/HK/M1A/Garand). I understand you are keeping it AK centric here but with the way you run this place (outstanding), it would be nice to have sections to talk about other platfoms other than in the GD and not have to deal with the BS involved on other sites with general jackassery. Keep up the great work!

CMS

Your suggestion has merit. We try to provide all we can to our membership, but we balance that with the notion that we "cannot be all things to all people." Let me address the issue with Staff and we will see what we can do.

KF

 

Krink,

...This site has been great since day 1 and a wealth of knowledge, not just for AK's but for about any platform you can think of. While it IS The AK Forum, you should consider adding some additional sections such as AR's, Shotguns, and Battle Rifles (FAL/HK/M1A/Garand). I understand you are keeping it AK centric here but with the way you run this place (outstanding), it would be nice to have sections to talk about other platfoms other than in the GD and not have to deal with the BS involved on other sites with general jackassery. Keep up the great work!

CMS

Your suggestion has merit. We try to provide all we can to our membership, but we balance that with the notion that we "cannot be all things to all people." Let me address the issue with Staff and we will see what we can do.

KF

True that. I like the fact that this site is focused just on the AK. For the rest, I just hang out on M4C.

 

I see that Daniel Estep aka Heavy_Weapons_Guy has chimed in on Bob's "poke them in the eye" thread.

It took me a minute to figure it out, but Daniel Estep was HWG on The AK Forum. He was a novice AK Builder that circumvented board rules about advertising and conducted unapproved commerce on The AK Forum. After much advice, numerous warnings, he continued to advertise and had his account deactivated. A notice was put in the AK Services section which detailed his contact information so anyone that had work with him could communicate to get their weapons back. He was treated fairly by Moderators and Staff. HWG made a post on another gun board about not being able to log on to The AK Forum, so I answered his post on the other board. Unfortunately, HWG did not like my response on the other board and reported it as harmful to his business, etc. Here is the response HWG was given on the other board:


"Daniel,

Your contact info will be posted in the AK Services Sections this morning in order for any customers with outstanding work to be able to contact you.

If you remember, you were told on countless times to not pursue work on The AK Forum. This was based on your beginner/amateur abilities to assemble Kalashnikov Rifles. We encouraged you to promote your pursuit of gunsmithing off the board, and if you became "proficient at it" to come back and we would consider giving you vendor status and endorse/stand behind your work.

We tried to "turn a blind eye" with your activities, but when you posted this:


Originally Posted by Heavy_weapons_Guy
Thank you Tim for the feedback, It was a pleasure working for you. I look forward to doing your next build(s) whenever you are ready.


That was the end of it.


Daniel, don't get me wrong. We want Kalashnikov Gunsmiths on The AK Forum, but we can't allow beginners to do work for our members that is not up to our standards. We need gunsmiths that can blast, parkerize, refinish weapons. We need gunsmiths that can weld up flaws in receivers that are inadvertently made when tooling goes awry, or rivit holes that are drilled incorrectly, etc. We need gunsmiths that can press and pin barrels, rear sight bases, gas blocks, front sight bases. We need gunsmiths that can lathe a barrel to allow for proper fit of aftermarket components with fitting issues.

I encourage you to pursue your hobby to no end. Become good at it. Hell, take a Romy G kit and start from scratch.....build it and then take the discerning eye to it. Find any flaws that you may have made. Tear it down and build it again. Do this over and over until your finished product meets a high standard of completion.

Your ultimate test of your ability as a Kalashnikov Gunsmith is whether or not you can assemble a virgin AK kit. One of the Yugo M70 kits that are out there comes in a box. Every single little piece must be assembled. The barrel is virgin and the gas port needs to be drilled (to the correct diameter) the barrel components must be pressed, drilled, and pinned. The rear trunnion has to be rivited and then milled out to support the installation of the underfolder components.


There are a few Kalashnikov related gunboards out there where you can promote your hobby and become proficient at building AKs. Recommend you make contact with the Administrators of these boards and let them know of your current capabilities and see if they will allow you to pursue work with their members. Over time you become a premier builder of Kalashnikov weapons and services sought after by many people. Time will tell.

I hope this comes across to you in the positive manner I intended, not in a negative sense.

Take care,

Troy

 

Well, it looks like Bob Williams just can't let it go. His latest "poke them in the eye" post denigrates my service in the military, as well as alleging the AK-74 presented to me by the members of AR15.COM was some type of payment from Ohio Rapid Fire. The AK-74 in the photo was given to me by the members of AR15.COM, not Ohio Rapid Fire.

As always I addressed the issue direct and gave the entire story. He just likes to forget.

Here is a link to my explanation on The AK Files:

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthrea ... 028&page=4

Here is a link to the original thread on AR15.COM where I thanked the members of AR15.COM for recognizing my desert deployment in 2003:

http://www.ak47.net/archive/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=57571
(Note: The pics in the archive thread no longer work as they were hosted on the Ohio Rapid Fire server which is now defunct)

Here are the pictures:

Operation IRAQI FREEDOM...A special thank you to Team AR15.COM
krinkfreak [Team Member]
9/10/2003 9:52:09 PM EDT
All of you,

I went up to Ohio Rapid Fire today and the contents of the mystery box were finally shown to me.....

I am honored to know that quite a few of you thought enough of my service in the desert to present me with such a memorable tribute. This one will definitely be a wall hanger with the magazine which has all of your names on it.

My personal thanks to each and every one of you. Especially the fine folks at Ohio Rapid Fire. Mike (me223) it's a top notch build. Chuck (300ydclean) I really appreciate the authentic Russian AK-74 Owners Manual.

Barry, if you were the one who did the finishing work on the furniture....I think you can quit your day job and go into business refinishing AK furniture. It's beautiful.

I will carry it proudly at Knob Creek for all of you to see, if you are able to make the trip.

Troy Deaton
"KF"

Bulgarian AK-74
Ironwood Furniture
Redstar Arms FCG
Bayonet

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SHIVAN [Team Member]
9/10/2003 10:06:37 PM EDT
Looks like the boys want you to put out more.

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Thank you for your service and welcome home.
Jeepcreep [Site Staff]
9/10/2003 10:17:10 PM EDT
I sure wish I could quit my day job, and refinish AK furniture! Unfortunately, I have to eat!

Don't thank us, THANK YOU! for your service to our country!

That is the first time I have seen the finished product, and YES the Ohio boys did do a bang up job!

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300ydClean [Member]
9/11/2003 12:51:14 AM EDT
You got to do something that we all wanted to do, carry the fight to those rotten pieces of shit over there in their mud huts.

You did your part, and we tried to do ours for you.

Chuck

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Brick [Member]
9/11/2003 12:17:55 PM EDT
Your welcome Krink. We just wanted to say thanks.

Brick

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EX11B [Team Member]
9/12/2003 1:43:02 AM EDT
ORF did a great job on that rifle, very cool that its on a pre-ban receiver!
Thanx for your service Krink!!

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krinkfreak [Team Member]
9/12/2003 5:35:57 AM EDT
It's built on an OOW receiver.

The first picture may fool you the way the bayonet is attached to the end of the barrel. There was just enough lug left to barely hold the bayonet in place. It's all 922r compliant.

Thanks again!

Troy

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Demordrah [Team Member]
9/12/2003 6:01:42 AM EDT
That's awesome.

By the way, thanks, krinkfreak. I hope when it's your time to pass (God willing, not for some time yet), they play the pipes at your service. I've always thought bagpipes were an honorable sendoff, and certainly you deserve such.

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Wave [Site Staff]
9/12/2003 7:29:17 AM EDT

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EX11B [Team Member]
9/12/2003 5:48:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By krinkfreak:
It's built on an OOW receiver.

The first picture may fool you the way the bayonet is attached to the end of the barrel. There was just enough lug left to barely hold the bayonet in place. It's all 922r compliant.

Thanks again!

Troy

oops, had me fooled.

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victor3ranger [Member]
9/16/2003 11:31:31 AM EDT
Congrate krink on the AK, looks like a sweet one.
Glad to see another guy who chewed some of the same dirt on here. I got back from there 6 weeks ago. Still missing the brothers and sisters still over there doing what needs to be done.

 

I swear at times these gunboards are worst then PAYTON PLACE

 

I swear at times these gunboards are worst then PAYTON PLACE

I agree. I have no idea why Bob Williams wants to take the lid off the garbage can and drag the dead fish back out...

The Comeback Kid ????

 

Why bother stooping to his level at this point. I'd ignore his thread and not give him the satisfaction of knowing you're wasting your time on it. His bias is not going to change our opinions as members here. If it makes you feel any better...the last time I logged in over there was 2006... :banana:

 

Yes.....Bob "poke them in the eye" Williams had his coffee this morning and wants to continue to denigrate my service. I guess it's easy for one to denigrate another when they have never served in the military...Or did he?? I think Bob is in his late 50s?? Maybe turning 59 this year?? That would put him right about in the middle of the Vietnam War era Draft?? Looks like he was a student at Kent State in '70......

http://www.akfiles.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22061

Hmmmm...forget about it. Serving your country is a conscious decision a man makes no matter if there is a Draft, or not.

Anyway, thank goodness for the "Wayback Machine" Internet Archive. I thought those legal documents concerning the Judgement would be on the Internet somewhere. I believe the narrative that Bob's previous business partner, JJ Wannamacher, authored speaks volumes of the character of one Bob Williams dba Akron Armory.

http://web.archive.org/web/201004081048 ... eakron.htm

 

Wow, the denigration of military service just went to the next level. Appears that Greg of Wellco Arms aka Bubagun (AK Files) aka Dinkydow (Dirty Dozens Bunker) just decided to take a shit on millions of military members, veterans, and retirees who were decorated for meritorious military service, but fell short of being a "triggerpuller" during their respective military service/career.

I believe quite a few of us that are up in the years have children that have served, or are serving right now and have been decorated for meritorious military service....I guess they get the Wellco Arms "shit on your service you Rear Echelon Mother Fucker" too. My youngest son (Aviation Ordnance US Navy) just got back from his Persian Gulf deployment in December...Guess I will have to tell him since he was not a "triggerpuller" he is shit??? Damn, come to think of it...I'm going to have to tell my father the next time I visit that his entire 20 years (1957-1977) aboard countless ships in the US Navy was shit because he was not a "triggerpuller"...damn! My uncle served aboard the Battleship USS Colorado and his ship left Pearl Harbor for a refit in San Diego a few months prior to December 7th, 1941. He passed away in the early 90s and was buried in his sailor's uniform with full military honors, but he was not a "triggerpuller"...damn! My grandfather served aboard a US Navy destroyer in the north atlantic in 1939. He passed away in 1967 and received military honors at his burial, but he was not a "triggerpuller"...damn!

You know I have never contemplated purchasing anything from Wellco Arms purely based on the racist ramblings and posts that have been made by "Dinkydow" on various internet discussion boards. How the hell can any military service member even think about doing business with someone that denigrates millions of Veterans??? It makes me wonder how anyone can possibly be friends/associates of someone like this, unless maybe they share much of the same views?

KF

bubagun
Senior Member

AKaholic #: 2744
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: North Coast
Posts: 884

Meritorious Service awards are simply an, "I was there," merit badge. They are awarded to REMFS who sit on their asses...in the rear...with the gear. No more...no less.

I do not have any Meritorious Service awards. But I do have a CIB in a wreath and a pair of Jump Wings. Triggerpullers don't fuck with MSA's.
__________________
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Owner: http://www.wellcoarms.com RSVN 1968-1970. 07 FFL/SOT.

 

Do you have a link?

 

It's the same "poke them in the eye" thread.
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthrea ... post972864

Do you have a link?

 

This is why I have slowly been stepping back from some gun boards. The internet is nothing more then a soapbox for the derpy derp to flow out of some peoples mouths.

While I am not condoning violence how I was raised if this kind of crap happened the guy would be heading for a major beat down.....Again not condoning anything but how I was raised was all a man has is his reputation in the end.

KF what it comes down to is in the end you can only do so much with people like this.
As the son of a military man I would like to say thank you for your service.

 

Thanks.

Every time I see a military member, regardless if they are a "triggerpuller" or "rear echelon mother fucker" I thank them for their service...no matter if they are a cook, or supply clerk, or electrician, or administrative clerk, or radar technician, or bomb loader. They all serve with distinction.

 

Thanks.

Every time I see a military member, regardless if they are a "triggerpuller" or "rear echelon mother fucker" I thank them for their service...no matter if they are a cook, or supply clerk, or electrician, or administrative clerk, or radar technician, or bomb loader. They all serve with distinction.

+1

 

In my experience, those who make it a lifestyle to berate others have usually done the least.

 

Krink,

...This site has been great since day 1 and a wealth of knowledge, not just for AK's but for about any platform you can think of. While it IS The AK Forum, you should consider adding some additional sections such as AR's, Shotguns, and Battle Rifles (FAL/HK/M1A/Garand). I understand you are keeping it AK centric here but with the way you run this place (outstanding), it would be nice to have sections to talk about other platfoms other than in the GD and not have to deal with the BS involved on other sites with general jackassery. Keep up the great work!

CMS

Your suggestion has merit. We try to provide all we can to our membership, but we balance that with the notion that we "cannot be all things to all people." Let me address the issue with Staff and we will see what we can do.

KF

True that. I like the fact that this site is focused just on the AK. For the rest, I just hang out on M4C.

Yep I like it just as is. If I need AR info I go elsewhere :wink:

 

Eventually things come back to bite people on the nethers sooner or later...

Where would those "triggerpullers" be without rear echelon support? Up Shit's Creek... that's where.. and not only will they not have paddles.. they won't have their weapons in good working order, ammo resupplied, food issued... no reinforcements.. and so on and so forth.

I'm not a military guy but I've got several friends and relatives who have been or still are... and ALL of them answered the call of duty and they ALL served this country of ours. When we lose sight of how the men and women of the armed forces contribute to the greatness of this nation....I can't help but feel sad.