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I plan on getting a 5.45 rifle to replace my SLR-107FR as a "SHTF" rifle. I've tried my best to get my Arsenal to be a 3MOA gun but my sample just won't do it. My requirements for this rifle are as follows: Platform reasonably expected to be able to reach the 3MOA mark (will be used with 1-6x optic out to 500m)
Windage Adjustable rear signt or ability to accept aftermarket Krebs rear peep sight
Standard (16.5") barrel length
Sturdy left side rail mount Ability to accept wide range of Magazines (I live in a free state so drums are a possibility.)
Ability to change stock to M4 or BCM style stock
Must have aftermarket triggers available

I've been looking at the Arsenal 5.45 rifles and they are very attractive however I am somewhat dissatisfied by my 107FR so I hesitate to pay the Premium for an Arsenal if im not reaping any benefits. The finish is lacking, the front trunion is off-center, and the irons do not hold zero well, and is very picky about ammo (shoots Yugo surplus like a shotgun, tulammo/wolf is always >6moa, Golden Tiger which is the guns "favorite" is usually ~5moa) (Sent the rifle to Arsenal and they returned it saying everything was within factory specs and "no imperfections were found")
I've also taken an interest in the Vepr RPK receiver rifles due to their heavier barrel and reinforced receiver. I was recommended the Vepr AK-74-11 but I hesitate because I've heard of feed issues requiring special magaziens (not known if this is fact or rumor) The rifle I want really needs an emphasis on accuracy. It will be outfitted with a 1-6x optic and I plan on shooting it regularly at 500m. If anyone has any recommendations on rifles to fit this bill or more input on the 2 rifles listed above it would be much appreciated.
 

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And I want a Jeep Wrangler to climb mountains and do 2 sec in a quarter mile!

While it sounds like your 107 may have issues a typical AK is still in the 3 - 4 moa range. Some may find a mix of rifle/ammo/shooter that will get better groups but don't expect less than 3 - 4.

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While you're deciding on the rifle...............................................start buying ammo. Best advice I can give.
Indeed. Get a lot of CLP or means of cleaning your weapon too. In a shtf scenario, if all you stocked up on was corrosive surplus, you don't want to have to battle excessive corrosion in addition to whoever you're using the weapon against long-term.

Consider stocking up on non-corrosive for SHTF, and corrosive for training.
 

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Indeed. Get a lot of CLP or means of cleaning your weapon too. In a shtf scenario, if all you stocked up on was corrosive surplus, you don't want to have to battle excessive corrosion in addition to whoever you're using the weapon against long-term.

Consider stocking up on non-corrosive for SHTF, and corrosive for training.
I've got ~8000 rounds of non corrosive 7.62x39 and 2 gallons of Breakfree so I'm good on those ends. Just looking to switch to 5.45 as a primary rifle
 

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sounds like you need a spr type ar-15 setup. or at least something w/ an upgraded barrel.
google pri spr mark 12
i think issued rifles are only held to 2 moa standards or something.
My thoughts exactly.

In the OP's case, sell the 107 and get a VEPR. BUT being RPK spec is no guarantee of accuracy, just a little better odds.
My 7.62x39mm VEPR averages ~2 inches at 100m with Golden Tiger.
I think I got lucky? YMMV.
I live in a dense clusterf*ck of city so my SHTF caliber choice was pretty easy, I feel very confident with a 7.62x39mm VEPR and a PK-01V out to 400m. If I lived on the plains I'd have a .308 SCAR:rolleyes:.

As for cleaning/lube, BEHOLD!!
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-10W-30-Full-Synthetic-Motor-Oil-5-qt./17034371
 

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Honestly, your limiting problem with both 7.62x39 and 5.45 is the ammo. If you put together a decent handload for your 107, it will be able to do a lot better. That's why the recommendations for AR-15 SPR type rifles - those can do a lot better without going to custom match grade ammo.

None of my '74s will do better than 3MOA, scoped or unscoped. It just doesn't happen with typical comm-bloc ammo.
 

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scar 17s... they are fucking sweet.
that pt-91 upper looks interesting for a gas piston as well. also been wondering about the 805 bren.
as much as i love 5.45 it seems like a poor choice for shtf. at least here, they dont even stock it at lgs so i doubt to many people own them in my area.
sorry to get so far away from topic...
i would agree if 5.45 try a vepr.
also for a shooter the u.s. made chrome barrels in a ak-74 shoot really well.
much as collectors hate to build using them :p
 

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scar 17s... they are fucking sweet.
that pt-91 upper looks interesting for a gas piston as well. also been wondering about the 805 bren.
as much as i love 5.45 it seems like a poor choice for shtf. at least here, they dont even stock it at lgs so i doubt to many people own them in my area.
sorry to get so far away from topic...
i would agree if 5.45 try a vepr.
also for a shooter the u.s. made chrome barrels in a ak-74 shoot really well.
much as collectors hate to build using them :p
He just summed it up well. Hornady offers 2 loads in 5.45 and some members have gotten good results within 100 yards. Beyond I'm not sure. I got out the 5.45 round years ago but can't deny I still get a hanger-en for it. You may do well to compromise and step into the 6.5 Grendel. It's parent round is 220 Russian/7.62x39/6.5 PPC but it still looks remarkably like a 5.45 in appearance. If a SHTF round is what you desire then you should consider the Grendel. My .02.
 

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Sounds like you have the right idea's going. My advice is to get good quality surplus mags, and get as many as possible.
 

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was your arsenal an arsenal bulgaria or arsenal las vegas reworked russian siaga. get an arsenal las vegas reworked russian siaga and dont look back. if you get a fime siaga or a bad one get another and try it as theres not really any better ones out there. fime batch siagas are said to be worst but i dont own one. all mine are non fime batch sgl-31 and sgl-31-94. pm me ill help. i run and gun em a bit.

if your enough rich and crazy you can try something completely thinking outside the box. something thats maybe never yet been done before on an sgl31. get a brand new gun and counter bore the muzzle to .25 for 1. 25 inches back from muzzle. thats what made my last ar build the craziest accuate gun ive seen off the bench. the hollow tube actually stabilizes the bullit it seems with a jet of air around the projectile as its stabilizing exiting the muzzle.
 
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I plan on getting a 5.45 rifle to replace my SLR-107FR as a "SHTF" rifle. I've tried my best to get my Arsenal to be a 3MOA gun but my sample just won't do it. My requirements for this rifle are as follows: Platform reasonably expected to be able to reach the 3MOA mark (will be used with 1-6x optic out to 500m)
Windage Adjustable rear signt or ability to accept aftermarket Krebs rear peep sight
Standard (16.5") barrel length
Sturdy left side rail mount Ability to accept wide range of Magazines (I live in a free state so drums are a possibility.)
Ability to change stock to M4 or BCM style stock
Must have aftermarket triggers available

I've been looking at the Arsenal 5.45 rifles and they are very attractive however I am somewhat dissatisfied by my 107FR so I hesitate to pay the Premium for an Arsenal if im not reaping any benefits. The finish is lacking, the front trunion is off-center, and the irons do not hold zero well, and is very picky about ammo (shoots Yugo surplus like a shotgun, tulammo/wolf is always >6moa, Golden Tiger which is the guns "favorite" is usually ~5moa) (Sent the rifle to Arsenal and they returned it saying everything was within factory specs and "no imperfections were found")
I've also taken an interest in the Vepr RPK receiver rifles due to their heavier barrel and reinforced receiver. I was recommended the Vepr AK-74-11 but I hesitate because I've heard of feed issues requiring special magaziens (not known if this is fact or rumor) The rifle I want really needs an emphasis on accuracy. It will be outfitted with a 1-6x optic and I plan on shooting it regularly at 500m. If anyone has any recommendations on rifles to fit this bill or more input on the 2 rifles listed above it would be much appreciated.

id steer clear of veprs they are just too heavy once you use em much. worst gun to add weight to. it gets rediculous. mags work same and perfect but they have to be hi capped first
 

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lightest weight best positioned optics mounts are those rs regulate setups in my opinion. some like the goofy but usable gastube optics. both have tradeoffs i guess as far as fast handling reloads and visability. i personally prefer a rearmost mounted eotech but fear batteries. acogs are great for shtf. i have no idea which direction your building can you tell? just throwing you some ideas.
 

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Sounds like some custom shop work because the requirements of 5.45, 3 MOA, and M4 stock compatibility. You won't know if it shoots less than 3MOA until you shoot it or some guy tells you before you get it. Maybe find a guy who does custom work but, I hate to be the guy that says Krebs...

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That's a lot of money though. I don't know who krebs is but, that's a cheap commie pos he's trying to off for $2000. I wouldn't spend that kind of money, it's like a fad at that point.

Why not an AR-15 they are so cheap!
 

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3 moa is no big deal its actually normal. shooting 3moa in a 3 gun shoot heart pounding rain and mud and sweat in eyes can be difficult so you need the best you can get. the over 3 moa off a bench sub standard arsenal bulgaria sounds very possible. once you get out there moving around and 2 drops of sweat enter your eyeballs its game and its no longer cozy bench mode. shot group goes far and wide.

my eyes are worse than 180 over 60 after my last laser captometry. my eyes were damaged back in 1998 in a shooting accident. i can still hit 3moa off a bench with an sgl-31 well used or new once its dialed its possible. this guy says his cant do it. thats a big problem. he got a bad one or something else is going on like ammo muzzle crown haze change as sun goes down constantly changing last 45 minutes in evening etc.
 

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as much as i love 5.45 it seems like a poor choice for shtf. at least here, they dont even stock it at lgs so i doubt to many people own them in my area.
If a SHTF round is what you desire then you should consider the Grendel. My .02.
If 5.45 is a "poor choice for SHTF" because of ammo availability, is 6.5 Grendel really going to be any easier to find in an emergency situation? I don't know - I don't ever see it on store shelves, but then I'm never looking for it, either.

was your arsenal an arsenal bulgaria or arsenal las vegas reworked russian siaga. get an arsenal las vegas reworked russian siaga and dont look back. if you get a fime siaga or a bad one get another and try it as theres not really any better ones out there. fime batch siagas are said to be worst but i dont own one.
I thought FIME was just a new importer to appease Arsenal (Bulgaria) from having their name on a Russian rifle? They've all been made at the Izhmash factory, or am I wrong?
 

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3 moa is no big deal its actually normal. shooting 3moa in a 3 gun shoot heart pounding rain and mud and sweat in eyes can be difficult so you need the best you can get. the over 3 moa off a bench sub standard arsenal bulgaria sounds very possible. once you get out there moving around and 2 drops of sweat enter your eyeballs its game and its no longer cozy bench mode. shot group goes far and wide.
Almost want to say shooter's error on the part of the OP but, don't want to assume. His thing was all three, other add ons like krebs rear sight... that sounds like a Krebs. If I had 8000 rounds and a gun I don't like, I'd sell the gun and find something I like that likes the ammo I have. That's some backwards thinking buttfuckit, that's the situation he's in.

$2000 for a Krebs I'll buy an AR-15 or something save half that money blow it on everything I don't need.
 
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