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We are going to be doing an unofficial test out at the property between an AK and an AR. That age old debate... This is just between a couple of friends of course, and we dont plan on coming to any concrete conclusion. But We will be documenting the whole thing on our site.

Any suggestions? I dont think my brother will let me tie a rope to his AR and throw it in the middle of a lake though. or bury it in the mud.... Well maybe he will.

What do you guys think?

We are going to have 4 different shooters with various skill levels and see what happens.

It should be fun anyway.

 

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The stength of the AK is it's longevity. With support the AR will win any contest, so it's really kinda pointless.
 

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BB said:
The stength of the AK is it's longevity. With support the AR will win any contest, so it's really kinda pointless.
Pointless for some, but there are still people out there who are learning about the differences between these two platforms.

Like I said it's just a good excuse to shoot.
 

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+1 on taking the class, and there are some memebrs here that could give you every bit of info you need and more.

Im a fan of Vickers; as a training noob, i didnt feel out of place and I learned alot.

Just give the noob shooters a gun and a case of ammo and leave them to their devices, im willing to bet dollars to bullets the AK will come out on top.
 

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I think it will make for a fun day of shooting with your brother!
 

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No offense, but you won't learn anything useful.

Firstly, your sample size is too small to be meaningful.

Secondly, you have no way to control for variables.

Thirdly, you have no peer-reviewed testing methodology to use.

As others have said, you will have fun shooting though. :wink:

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No offense, but you won't learn anything useful.

Firstly, your sample size is too small to be meaningful.

Secondly, you have no way to control for variables.

Thirdly, you have no peer-reviewed testing methodology to use.

As others have said, you will have fun shooting though. :wink:

M_P
Actually this is what I hope to learn.

What rifle do I really like better, and why. Will my brother who is an Iraq veteran like the AK? Sure he handled them over there, but he has told me flat out that he did not like them.

At this point I do not like the AR platform. I got out of mine ( a very nice one) and into the AK. Did I not give it a chance? Now that I am comfortable and settled in to the AK should I give the AR platform another shot?

Maybe I need both in my safe? We will find out this weekend as I put some theories I have about both of these rifles to the UNOFFICIAL test.
 

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Tx Dogblaster said:
A very good friend of mine wrote this several years ago. It should prove to be useful in your research. Ezra is personally responsible for my AK building addiction and my wife will never let him forget about it...

http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm
I have read this it is pretty funny. I especially agree with the conclusion.

"There you have it. In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side."
 

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Some suggestions:

Accuracy test

Reliability; how many rounds out of each before a stoppage

Ergonomics

Which one cleans up the fastest

Another idea would be to find someone that does not know weapons at all, and see how long it takes to teach them basic marksmanship, care and maintenance of both weapons.

I"ve used the M16 platform since 1985, and I"ve been comfortable with it. That being said, it does have some disadvantages.
I also like the AK, but it also has some issues. Both have their strengths, and weaknesses.
 

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JoeMomma said:
Some suggestions:

Accuracy test

Reliability; how many rounds out of each before a stoppage

Ergonomics

Which one cleans up the fastest

Another idea would be to find someone that does not know weapons at all, and see how long it takes to teach them basic marksmanship, care and maintenance of both weapons.

I"ve used the M16 platform since 1985, and I"ve been comfortable with it. That being said, it does have some disadvantages.
I also like the AK, but it also has some issues. Both have their strengths, and weaknesses.
My little sister hasnt shot either and is not afraid to. Might be a perfect candidate.

thanks for the suggestion!
 

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As others have said the AKs strength is it's reliability. I have Bushmaster AR (don't shoot it much). I always did OK with the AK iron sights and couldn't understand what the big gripe was about with the sights till I put an Aimpoint on one. If you have one in your safe that is so equipped I think it would even the odds in that department and make it a more fair test.

The only thing I don't personally care for about the AR is it likes to be run well lubed (read; take camelback hydration system, fill with CLP, drill hole in AR reciever to accept IV type infusion system of CLP). I have seen ARs get really stupid acting if they get too dirty. AK just seems to shrug it off and keep on firing. Just my .02
 

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A test between a 7.62 AK and a 5.56 AR has never really seemed fair to me. why not do a test between a AK 74 and an AR15 in 5.56?

That seems like a good comparison.
 

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Just one little pet peeve of mine when people compare the whole AR vs AK thing is accuracy. It is accepted fact that an AR can definitely out shoot an AK; however, usually people are using decent quality brass 5.56 in their AR and Wolf or some other cheap Russian 7.62x39 in their AK. This tends to widen the perceived accuracy difference.

If you are going to test accuracy, do it with the similar quality levels of ammo (ie Wolf Black Box or Military Classic in both rifles). Or if you are going medium+ quality AR ammo, use a similar quality 7.62x39 like Lapua or some decent year Chinese.

Also, I would suggest testing practical accuracy in different positions (standing, kneeling, and prone). When not resting the rifle on a bench or sandbags, the accuracy difference between rifles much smaller for the average person. I would also throw in a benched test as well for good measure.

PS: make sure you are using well broken in rifles for these tests. It would be a waste of ammo to try and compare the reliability of the AK vs the AR when, for instance, you have a brand new AR.
 

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Just one little pet peeve of mine when people compare the whole AR vs AK thing is accuracy. It is accepted fact that an AR can definitely out shoot an AK; however, usually people are using decent quality brass 5.56 in their AR and Wolf or some other cheap Russian 7.62x39 in their AK. This tends to widen the perceived accuracy difference.

If you are going to test accuracy, do it with the similar quality levels of ammo (ie Wolf Black Box or Military Classic in both rifles). Or if you are going medium+ quality AR ammo, use a similar quality 7.62x39 like Lapua or some decent year Chinese.

Also, I would suggest testing practical accuracy in different positions (standing, kneeling, and prone). When not resting the rifle on a bench or sandbags, the accuracy difference between rifles much smaller for the average person. I would also throw in a benched test as well for good measure.

PS: make sure you are using well broken in rifles for these tests. It would be a waste of ammo to try and compare the reliability of the AK vs the AR when, for instance, you have a brand new AR.
It's funny you mentioned this... I started a thread over at thehighroad.org asking specifically about the ammo we should use.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=379818
 

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Not a fair comparison

AK = machinegun with semi auto rifle capability

M-16 (AR) = Rifle with full auto capability
 

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BigAL said:
Not a fair comparison

AK = machinegun with semi auto rifle capability

M-16 (AR) = Rifle with full auto capability
And comments like this all over the internet are the reason we are going to see for ourselves. Not really looking to convince anyone but ourselves either.

thanks for your help.
 
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