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Starbuck asks people to not bring guns into their stores.....Starbucks asks U.S. customers to leave guns at home | Reuters

(Reuters) - Coffee chain Starbucks Corp has asked U.S. customers to leave their guns at home after being dragged into an increasingly fractious debate over U.S. gun rights in the wake of multiple mass shootings.

While many U.S. restaurant chains and retailers do not allow firearms on their properties, Starbucks' policy had been to default to local gun laws, including "open carry" regulations in many U.S. states that allow people to bring guns into stores.

In August, this led gun-rights advocates to hold a national "Starbucks Appreciation Day" to thank the firm for its stance, pulling the company deeper into the fierce political fight.
Locations for Starbucks Appreciation Day events included Newtown, Connecticut, where 20 children and six adults were shot dead in an elementary school in December. Starbucks closed that shop before the event was scheduled to begin.

Chief Executive Howard Schultz said in an open letter to customers late Tuesday that Starbucks Appreciation Day events "disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of 'open carry.' To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores."

The coffee chain did not, however, issue an outright ban on guns in its nearly 7,000 company-owned cafes, saying this would potentially require staff to confront armed customers.

The Seattle-based company hoped to give "responsible gun owners a chance to respect its request," Schultz said.
The CEO told Reuters the policy change was not the result of the Newtown Starbucks Appreciation Day event, which prompted the Newtown Action Alliance to call on the company to ban guns at all of its U.S. stores. Nor was it in response to the mass shootings this week at the Washington Navy Yard.

"We've seen the 'open carry' debate become increasingly uncivil and, in some cases, even threatening," Schultz wrote, noting that "some anti-gun activists have also played a role in ratcheting up the rhetoric and friction," at times soliciting and confronting employees and patrons.

"We found ourselves in a position where advocates on both sides of the issue were using Starbucks as a staging ground for their own political position," said Schultz, who in the past has willingly waded into the public debate over the U.S. national debt and gay marriage.

Schultz said more people had been bringing guns into Starbucks shops over the last six months, prompting confusion and dismay among some customers and employees.

"I'm not worried we're going to lose customers over this," he told Reuters. "I feel like I've made the best decision in the interest of our company."
Starbucks' request does not apply to authorized law enforcement personnel.


Well all righty then...no more Frapppachinos for me..
 

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Dammed if you do, Dammed if you dont.

Prior to all this I walked into a Starbucks (rarely) with a gun and no one knew. After this I'll walk into a Starbucks and no one will know. Why is that so hard
 

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I can understand their position on this. By asking to leave them at home, but not making it a "rule" it helps move them back to the neutral zone. I can't hate them for wanting to keep their business out of all the politics.
 

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It's all these idiots "open carrying" to show off......people can be their own worst enemies.
Its not just that. Its how people carry themselves as well. Dipshit in Croydon (you NE Philly guys know what im talking about) hears Starbucks is pro OC. He grabs his least dirty ripped shirt, straps on a uncle mikes soft OWB holster, the type that will hold any large semi auto, and throws a Desert Eagle .50 in it and proceeds to the nearest Starbucks. Upon entering he meets a bunch of similar peeps and proceeds to BS and walk around with the DE swinging around on his belt held on by a stretched out nylon loop. Or the commando who has 2 drop leg holsters with G21s. I'd be nervous going there too.
 

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Chief Executive Howard Schultz said in an open letter to customers late Tuesday that Starbucks Appreciation Day events "disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of 'open carry.' To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores."
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The Seattle-based company hoped to give "responsible gun owners a chance to respect its request," Schultz said.
The CEO told Reuters the policy change was not the result of the Newtown Starbucks Appreciation Day event, which prompted the Newtown Action Alliance to call on the company to ban guns at all of its U.S. stores. Nor was it in response to the mass shootings this week at the Washington Navy Yard.

"We've seen the 'open carry' debate become increasingly uncivil and, in some cases, even threatening," Schultz wrote, noting that "some anti-gun activists have also played a role in ratcheting up the rhetoric and friction," at times soliciting and confronting employees and patrons.

"We found ourselves in a position where advocates on both sides of the issue were using Starbucks as a staging ground for their own political position," said Schultz, who in the past has willingly waded into the public debate over the U.S. national debt and gay marriage.

Schultz said more people had been bringing guns into Starbucks shops over the last six months, prompting confusion and dismay among some customers and employees.

"I'm not worried we're going to lose customers over this," he told Reuters. "I feel like I've made the best decision in the interest of our company."
Starbucks' request does not apply to authorized law enforcement personnel.


Well all righty then...no more Frapppachinos for me..
If some political interest group was using my business as a grandstand to rally their demonstrations around, I'd probably do the same.
If he really things he isn't going to lose customers over this, he's kidding himself, but I think they'll survive somehow.
People that want to open carry in open carry states as a normal part of their lifestyle should do so, but when they start organizing political events around a storefront, owners get nervous.
I don't really care. I never go in there anyway.
 

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I don't think they where ever pro gun really, I thought they took a stance that followed local and state laws and would not bar the weapons from the premise.

i understand where they are coming from they serve anti gun yuppies and pro gunner badasses, and the pro gunner badasses kinda screwed it away by making them look like pro gun/pro NRA. Seriously Starbucks is not the only company in the US that follows local and state laws as it pertains to carrying a weapon.

I will still buy coffee from them either way.
 

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I totally understand. Most of the yuppies that actually go to Starbucks are terrified of guns.
 

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Its not just that. Its how people carry themselves as well. Dipshit in Croydon (you NE Philly guys know what im talking about) hears Starbucks is pro OC. He grabs his least dirty ripped shirt, straps on a uncle mikes soft OWB holster, the type that will hold any large semi auto, and throws a Desert Eagle .50 in it and proceeds to the nearest Starbucks. Upon entering he meets a bunch of similar peeps and proceeds to BS and walk around with the DE swinging around on his belt held on by a stretched out nylon loop. Or the commando who has 2 drop leg holsters with G21s. I'd be nervous going there too.
Yep. It's nice to open carry in NEPA in the remote areas and small towns, etc. For that, I'm glad we have the right. But some of the guys in rural areas/city really seem like they are lookin for trouble. I'm all for exercising/protecting our rights, but some of it goes too far like the stuff ya mentioned. I love PAFOA, but some of the stuff.... eh. Gives the uneducated people they are trying to educate the complete wrong idea about it all.
 

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They want to stay out of politics and yet they say they are for obamacare
 

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Char-bucks? Their coffee sucks, good enough reason to stay away for me, gun issue notwithstanding.
 

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While I agree all the open carry nonsense is probably the root cause of this, it does seem he wants his cake and eat it to.....Guns not welcome but not banned in stores???

I believe it could have been handled a tad bit better like a statement:

" We respect our customers 2nd amendment rights but for the comfort of our customers and employees we kindly request that firearms be carried discreetly and remain concealed while on our premises".

Problem solved...

On the other hand I doubt they would have to worry about a robbery or mass shooting incident while the local open carry coffee klatch was meeting..lol

"Its not just that. Its how people carry themselves as well. Dipshit in Croydon (you NE Philly guys know what im talking about) hears Starbucks is pro OC. He grabs his least dirty ripped shirt, straps on a uncle mikes soft OWB holster, the type that will hold any large semi auto, and throws a Desert Eagle .50 in it and proceeds to the nearest Starbucks. Upon entering he meets a bunch of similar peeps and proceeds to BS and walk around with the DE swinging around on his belt held on by a stretched out nylon loop. Or the commando who has 2 drop leg holsters with G21s. I'd be nervous going there too."

^^LOL lot of truth there^^
 

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I don't go to Starbucks much anyway, but I agree conceal carry is best.
 

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There used to be a few of these open carry types around here, but I think they moved on.
 
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