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So... ATF changed their mind... again

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And finally my personal favorite "guntuber":

So with the ATF and the various interest groups out there pushing to erode 2A bit by bit, we find ourselves as gun enthusiasts (at least) and prepared citizen (at best) being nibbled to death by baby ducks.

How do we stop this?

Well the big dogs like Firearms Policy Coalition, Gun owners of America, and 2A Foundation are doing their work (Sorry NRA but you aren't helping). Simple folks like us can sit around arguing with people on social media, making memes to further antagonize anti-gunners, and discussing it on fourms like this... OR we can divide and conquer.

Where am I going with this? Well I'm not sure yet but I'm tired of standing by waiting for court rulings and Congress to vote on yet another weapons ban... There are people with massive followings on social media; Garand_Thumb, T-Rex Arms, MrGunsnGear, and many more doing their part to make certain parts of gun ownership more ubiquitous. But what's a guy to do? We can call our representatives and get petitions going.

I'm putting it out there that we should all be participating, the Left doesn't sleep on this stuff and is playing dirty.

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I fail to see how they can enforce this. There are more braces than F150’s in this country. What are they going to do? Send all the rule breakers to prison? We’d have to build more Empire State buildings to house all the “brace felons”.
I fail to see how they can enforce this. There are more braces than F150’s in this country. What are they going to do? Send all the rule breakers to prison? We’d have to build more Empire State buildings to house all the “brace felons”.
the intent is always to leave process crimes. that is, always have the majority of people with something that they can arrest them for IF THEY WANT TO. Like weed, bump stocks, and countless others, they don't intend on hunting everyone down. What they intend is for agencies to always have some reason to be able to catch someone even if they can't catch the person on what they wanted. The Al Capone method in a sense. If they're after someone and can't find evidence for what they were trying to nail said person on, then they can nail them for a lesser crime. E.g. having an SBR without a tax stamp in this case. Kind of like how if they can't nail some crime boss for killing, murdering etc, if they find weed in his house or taxes undone, they can get a conviction anyways.
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I fail to see how they can enforce this. There are more braces than F150’s in this country. What are they going to do? Send all the rule breakers to prison? We’d have to build more Empire State buildings to house all the “brace felons”.
Yeah it's ridiculous, and the "free registration for an SBR" is a total scam. They'll use that to make the biggest gun registry known to date.

the intent is always to leave process crimes...
It's the procedural crimes that are the sneaky ones, it's just a matter before your number gets called.

Looks like they stopped it almost immediately, which is good, BUT this admin continues to ram things through that are downright illegal so who knows what's next.

Update: apparently an injunction was placed on the 23rd
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How do we stop this?
Stop pretending that 2A is about anything other than shooting tyrants, foreign or domestic. If you're not going to shoot tyrants, than just give them your guns already.
If you're not going to shoot tyrants, than just give them your guns already.
Waiting for you to start.

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If only there was a document, agreed to by all the states that sets limits on the federal government and lets them know that there are certain rights retained by the people who give this power to government. Something like a constitution, and maybe a Bill of Rights which lets the government know that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Wouldn't that be special??!?!?!
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Wouldn't that be special??!?!?!
Yeah, I stand firmly in the "all gun restrictions are unconstitutional" camp.
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The only thing I can say to the ATF is Good Luck and Pack A Lunch, it's going to be a LONG Decade. Does the average 2A person really believe we are going to give up our Firearms and Parts to them, not happening
Stop pretending that 2A is about anything other than shooting tyrants, foreign or domestic. If you're not going to shoot tyrants, than just give them your guns already.
The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure that the American people has the means to act against an abusive government, and that's exactly why the liberals hate it so much. Whatever the sheep may think, the anti-gun push is not about public safety at all. It's about the safety of the government.
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Waiting for you to start.

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I answered your question on how to stop this. Your response is me first? Conservatives are more socialist than liberals some times...lol
Bottom line, there will be SHEEP out there in the Gun World, however they are the Minority. Today in America we have TYRANNY at it's Best, all I can say is Bring It On
I answered your question on how to stop this.
You responded to a rhetorical, a starter to my statements. It appears, more often than not, that your comprehension issues are showing. Skill issue.
anti-gun push is not about public safety at all
Yeah, pretty much. Anyone can do a quick search on totalitarian regimes and discover that disarmament of the people came before the really bad stuff started. Here's a quick list:


A history of disarmament:
1911: Turkey; citizens disarmed – Ottomans slaughtered 1.5 million Armenians
1929: Russia; citizens disarmed – Stalin killed 20 million Russians
1935: China; citizens disarmed – Mao killed 20 million Chinese
1938: Germany; citizens disarmed – Hitler killed 6 million Jews**
1956: Cambodia; citizens disarmed – Pol Pot killed 1 million “intellectuals”
1964: Guatemala; citizens disarmed – The Government massacred 100,000 Mayan Indians
1970: Uganda; citizens disarmed –Idi Amin put to death 300,000 Christians

**data is up for dispute
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So, are we all criminals yet?

Asking for a friend.
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ATF's Pistol Brace "Compliance Period" Ending May 31, 2023


Readers will recall back in January when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ("ATF") published Final Rule 2021R-08F (the “Final Rule”) amending its regulations to clarify when a rifle is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. As we explained in our January 31, 2023 alert, the compliance period is due to close TOMORROW, May 31, 2023. This rule impacts pistols equipped with certain stabilizing braces by amending the definition of "rifle" in ATF's regulations so that if the stabilizing brace meets certain criteria, the firearm may be subject to the National Firearms Act (NFA) controls as a short barrel rifle.

I. Recap of the Final Rule

The added text to the definitions of rifle in 27 C.F.R. 478.11 and 479.11 reads as follows:

(1) For purposes of this definition, the term ‘‘designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder’’ shall include a weapon that is equipped with an accessory, component, or other rearward attachment (e.g., a ‘‘stabilizing brace’’) that provides surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder, provided other factors, as described in paragraph (2), indicate that the weapon is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder.

(2) When a weapon provides surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder, the following factors shall also be considered in determining whether the weapon is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder:

(i) Whether the weapon has a weight or length consistent with the weight or length of similarly designed rifles;
(ii) Whether the weapon has a length of pull, measured from the center of the trigger to the center of the shoulder stock or other rearward accessory, component or attachment (including an adjustable or telescoping attachment with the ability to lock into various positions along a buffer tube, receiver extension, or other attachment method), that is consistent with similarly designed rifles;
(iii) Whether the weapon is equipped with sights or a scope with eye relief that require the weapon to be fired from the shoulder in order to be used as designed;
(iv) Whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations;

(v) The manufacturer’s direct and indirect marketing and promotional materials indicating the intended use of the weapon; and (vi) Information demonstrating the likely use of the weapon in the general community.

II. Implications on Prior Classifications

CAUTION! On January 31, 2023, ATF revoked all prior ATF classifications of firearms equipped with a brace device. This means that no one may rely on a classification issued prior to January 31, 2023. While a classification request may be resubmitted to ATF, the agency cautions that a majority of the existing firearms equipped with a stabilizing brace will likely be classified as “rifles” "because they are configured for shoulder fire based on the factors described in the Final Rule. Because many of these firearms generally have a barrel of less than 16 inches, they are likely to be classified as short-barreled rifles subject to regulation and registration under the NFA and GCA." See Final Rule at p. 6480.

ATF does not have a list of specific braces that qualify as making a pistol into a short-barreled rifle ("SBR"), explaining that it does not regulate accessories such as stabilizing braces by themselves. However, ATF does provide examples of commercially available firearms and common weapon platforms equipped with a stabilizing brace that are short-barreled rifles.

III. Options for Affected Parties

Beginning on January 31, 2023, parties who were already in possession of firearms now classified as NFA-controlled short barrel firearms because of the stabilizing brace have until tomorrow, May 31, 2023, to come into compliance with the NFA. There are several options to achieve compliance:

A. Options Available to All Possessors

Remove the short barrel and attach a 16-inch or longer rifled barrel to the firearm, thus removing it from the scope of the NFA.
Permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the ‘‘stabilizing brace’’ such that it cannot be reattached. This action, as long as it is completed by May 31, 2023, will remove the weapon from regulation as a ‘‘firearm’’ under the NFA. According to ATF, making this change after May 31, 2023 will not remove the weapon from the NFA as it may be controlled as a ‘‘weapon made from a rifle.’’
Turn the firearm into a local ATF office.
Destroy the firearm. ATF will publish information regarding proper destruction on its website.
Register the weapon as specified for the particular category of possessor.

B. Registration Option for Non-Licensee Possessors

Submit by May 31, 2023 through the eForms system a Form 1 Application to Make and Register a Firearm (‘‘E-Form 1’’) for each affected firearm in the applicant's possession. The possessor may adopt the markings on the firearm for purposes of the E-Form 1 if the firearm is marked in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 and 479.102. If the firearm does not have the markings under 27 CFR 478.92 and 479.102, then the individual must mark the firearm as required. Proof of submission of the E- Form 1 should be maintained by all possessors. These registrations will NOT be required to pay the $200 making tax as long as the E-Form 1 is submitted by May 31, 2023. It is important to emphasize that the firearm is not registered as an SBR until the applicant receives an approved Form 1. Once the firearm is registered as an SBR, the registrant may change out the brace device or stock for a different brace or stock. No notification to ATF is necessary in these cases because changing the the brace or stock does not change the configuration of the firearm. If the length of the firearm changes, the registrant must notify the NFA Division.

C. Registration Option for Federal Firearms Licensed ("FFL") Manufacturers or Importers and Qualified as Special (Occupational) Taxpayer ("SOT") Class 1 Importer or Class 2 Manufacturer

For all affected firearms in the FFL's inventory as of January 31, 2023, submit through the eForms system by May 31, 2023 a Form 2 Notice of Firearms Manufactured or Imported ("E-Form 2").

D. Registration Option for FFLs Not Having Paid SOT as a Class 1 Importer or Class 2 Manufacturer Under the NFA (Including FFL/SOT Dealers)

Submit through eForms by May 31, 2023 an E-Form 1 for each affected firearm. The possessor may adopt the markings on the firearm for purposes of the E-Form 1 if the firearm is marked in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 and 479.102. If the firearm does not have the markings under 27 CFR 478.92 and 479.102, then the FFL must mark the firearm as required. Proof of submission of the E-Form 1 should be maintained by all possessors.

It is important to note that any FFL without a Class 2 SOT that is engaged in the business of manufacturing short-barreled rifles equipped with a ‘‘stabilizing brace’’ device should become a Class 2 SOT if they will continue to engage in the business of dealing and manufacturing NFA firearms. Once they obtain their SOT under 26 U.S.C. 5801, they must register their NFA firearms with ATF by completing and submitting the E-Form 2 by May 31, 2023.

As indicated above, ATF is forbearing NFA taxes on persons who were in possession of firearms equipped with stabilizing braces that are SBRs on January 31, 2023. However, this forbearance applies only to new registrations submitted by May 31, 2023. All transfers will be subject to the NFA tax requirements of the NFA in 26 U.S.C. 5811.

IV. Effects of Litigation

Several cases challenging the brace rule are currently pending. All but one are in the preliminary motions phase and likely will not impact the end of the compliance period. However, there is one case in which the plaintiffs have been able to obtain a limited injunction against ATF's enforcement of the Final Rule. In Mock v. Garland, filed in the Northern District of Texas (Case No. 4:23-cv-00095-O), the district court denied the plaintiffs' motion for an injunction on March 30, 2023. The plaintiffs have appealed to the Fifth Circuit (Case No. 0:23-usc-10319), and while that appeal is pending (oral argument is scheduled for June 29, 2023), the Court has ordered a Preliminary Injunction against ATF's enforcement of the Final Rule. However, the injunction is limited to the Plaintiffs in the case: Maxim Defense Industries, LLC, Christopher Lewis, William Mock, and the Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc. On Friday, May 26, 2023, the Fifth Circuit issued and Order clarifying that the "Plaintiffs" include the customers and members whose interests Plaintiffs Maxim Defense and Firearms Policy Coalition have represented "since day one of this litigation." The Court also explained that "Plaintiffs" include the individual plaintiffs' resident family members. In issuing this clarification, the Court emphasized that any relief beyond this is denied because it would be tantamount to a nationwide injunction. "The limited purpose of this clarification is to preserve the status quo ante to provide what [defendants] term 'complete relief' to the parties and persons within the reasonable scope of the motion panel's injunction pending appeal." The Court explains in a footnote that "[t]here is no authority in the motion panel's order to extend the injunction to an infinite number of non-parties to this case on the theory that, for full relief to be afforded to the plaintiffs, the plaintiffs must be permitted to sell products to an undefined set of downstream purchasers."

V. ATF Resources

For more information on the brace rule, please visit ATF's website, which includes a variety or resources to aid the public in interpreting and operating under the Final Rule. These resources include: (1) the PowerPoint presentation given during SHOT Show; (2) NFA Form 1 submission guidance with Q&A; (3) a chart depicting the affected parties and their options under the Final Rule; and (4) a list of Frequently Asked Questions.

For questions regarding the application of the final rule, contact the Firearms Industry Programs Branch at Firearms Industry Programs Branch: [email protected].

For technical questions regarding firearms, contact the Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division at: [email protected].

To register for an eForms account and/or submit an eForm 1 pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F, please visit eForms.

The above alert is for informational purposes only and is not intended to be construed or used as legal advice. Receipt of this alert does not establish an attorney-client relationship.

Questions about this alert may be directed to:

Johanna Reeves: 202-715-9941, [email protected]

About Reeves & Dola
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You responded to a rhetorical, a starter to my statements. It appears, more often than not, that your comprehension issues are showing. Skill issue.
The question I responded to in your post was not rhetorical... You went on to provide answers to your own question, indicating that's the direction you wanted this conversation to go. I contributed an answer to your question that you didn't like.

As for the statement I boldened and underscored above, what are you referencing exactly? You're accusing me of "more often than not" having comprehension issues...I've never engaged in any discourse with you before this, unless you're a newly created account from a previously banned individual.

Please show me these frequent comprehension issues I seem to have. You can even PM me, so you don't derail your entire thread.

If speaking plainly about killing tyrants bothers you, then just lead with that next time, instead of attacking the character of the person saying it.
Submit through eForms by May 31, 2023 an E-Form 1 for each affected firearm
Yeah... I won't be doing that; Even if I had anything remotely resembling an SBR. Guaranteed they'll use this to create the largest centralized gun registry the US has ever seen, it's not a good idea. Given that FPC got that injunction to give a pass to it's members and that kind of blanketing litigation, I wonder if that's the foot in the door to help break apart this nonsense once and for all.

The question I responded to in your post was not rhetorical...
You're still coping over text that I wrote that you don't like? Go start a cringepost about how you want to kill tyrants.
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You're still coping over text that I wrote that you don't like? Go start a cringepost about how you want to kill tyrants.
So you're not going to back up your claims against me? Got it. Stay intellectual my friend.
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