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Thinkin' about a Saiga .223. I've converted a 7.62x39, had to sell it, but anyway. My question is what are my options for 30rnd mags for a .223 converted Saiga. Best deal and prices. Thanks.
 

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The following options require a bullet guide.

Polymer Galil mags are the easiest (and hold 35 rounds, too). Only need to relieve a small bit on the mag for them to work.


No other mods needed to gun.



Bulgarian 5.56x45 waffles work great and only need the rear of the mag well cleaned up. No messing with the mag latch or mag bodies required (in my experience).



I've not used Weigers, so have no direct experience with the actual fitment of 'em to the Saiga.

I'd recommend against using AK74 mags because they are hit or miss in the reliability department. You can see why in Mike F's excellent pictorial.

The curvature of the AK74 mag will cause the .223 cases to bind up at some point.
 

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So from what I understand from over at saiga-12 is that some of the rear of the magwell needs to be ground away for the bulgarian mags to work?
 

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johann said:
So from what I understand from over at saiga-12 is that some of the rear of the magwell needs to be ground away for the bulgarian mags to work?
Yeah, I think I covered that:
nalioth said:
Bulgarian 5.56x45 waffles work great and only need the rear of the mag well cleaned up.
When you see it, you'll see what needs to be removed.
 

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Nalioth, in order to get my Bulgy waffle and my Polish Beryl mags to lock up in my .223 I had to grind a little off the tops of the mags...:neutral:...YMMV

Maybe they changed something in the front trunion recently? My Saiga is brand spanking new.
 

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Nalioth, in order to get my Bulgy waffle and my Polish Beryl mags to lock up in my .223 I had to grind a little off the tops of the mags...:neutral:...YMMV

Maybe they changed something in the front trunnion recently? My Saiga is brand spanking new.
The Bulgarians will fit the .223 with out any mods to the rifle
if you don't want too, just have to grind a little bet on the top
front of the mags as they are for AK74 mag well and the Saiga
have AKM mag well, the Saiga have bigger lugs.

Some people use to grind down the lugs on the Saiga well
to make it like ak74 lugs and the mag fit with any mod
to the mag. But after that any mag like Galil orlites
will rock and miss feed a lot on your gun as they are
for AKM mag well.
 

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vjor said:
decodeddiesel said:
Nalioth, in order to get my Bulgy waffle and my Polish Beryl mags to lock up in my .223 I had to grind a little off the tops of the mags...:neutral:...YMMV

Maybe they changed something in the front trunnion recently? My Saiga is brand spanking new.
The Bulgarians will fit the .223 with out any mods to the rifle
if you don't want too, just have to grind a little bet on the top
front of the mags as they are for AK74 mag well and the Saiga
have AKM mag well, the Saiga have bigger lugs.
My opinion: Don't grind anything until you fit it, and find it needs grinding.

Again, all my Saiga needed was the rear of the mag well opened up (there is a tab there to keep military mags from being used).
 

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I was a little off...the Bulgarian deffiniatly would not lock up without grinding the mag, no way no how. The Beryl mags would lock up, but man are they tight. The latch doesn't click so much as slide into position with the Beryl mags. I may grind them a little for a better fit, I like hearing that click when a mag goes in.
 

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My Saiga will accept Weigers no problem. Galil mags as well.

I tried what I think were some Romanian steel Weiger copies but they would not fit whatsoever. I don't even know what I could possibly do to get them to work.
 

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The magazines I've bought with rusmilitary have always been 100% functional...
 

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ditto. got another today. high priced? yeah. 100% functional? hell yeah!
 

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nalioth said:
NACHTJAGER said:
Um, you don't want anything to do with deacts.

They've got their feed lips cut off and are useless as ammo feeding devices.

The collectors over in the UK collect them for their ink stamps and to go with their deact rifles.
I am not talking about deacts. Every magazine they have offered on that site (page) is meant to be used in a functional rifle(AK/Saiga/SVD/Tigr). I have bought just about every mag type they have offered and they function 100% in all of my rifles. RusMilitary is the only overseas company(Besides that guy in Poland that was selling the Beryl mags on GB) I do buisness with. The only deactivated mags I see on that site are with deactivated rifles. They say (....c-deact_magazines) in the page,but we all here know that isnt the case. They even call the furniture and accessories "deacts".
http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-deact_accessories.htm
How in the hell do you deactivate the furniture? Remove the finish or fill in the screw holes so they cant accept screws? http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-deact_furniture.htm
 

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Now my 223 Saiga was built on a dimpled 7.62x39 receiver (Can see the marking they obscured) so some of this might not apply to others.

I didn't want to modify mags, so instead of grinding down the tops of the mag I removed some material from the trunnion. I used the side of a fiber reinforced cutting wheel in a dremil tool. It worked slick.

I removed the tab at the back of the magwell as mentioned above.

Since mine was built on a 7.62x39 receiver the magwell was already wide enough to accept Bulgarian, Polish and Yugoslavian mags.

But in order to fit the Yugo mags I had to remove a bit from the center support.

Here is the Yugo mag. They are really nice but very heavy.
 

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So if the Galil Orlites can be modded to work, can the metal Galil mags work also?

I have 4 or 5 of the 30 round metal Galil in 223, and 5 or 6 of the 12 round blank mags that have been modded for real ammo, and they do NOT work in my Galil build. If I can grab a Saiga like I've been seeing for sub-330 prices then maybe I can use the mags anyway.
 

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From what I've read at the S12 forum, the metal Galil mags are a PITA
 
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