It's just painful watching these video's and seeing this thing beat itself in to a dangerous F'ing mess.
Honestly, I'm really hoping at some point in the near future he starts remote firing this gun before it grenades on him. I'm sure his skill set and knowledge are far greater on the AK than mine, but honestly, it's tearing itself apart.
I understand every gun needs some R&D, but it would appear the guns are being sold. They needed to do this kind of R&D before it went to market. It would appear these things are a tragedy waiting to happen.

 

I'd like to see the same test done on the C39V2.

 

There is not a single US made AK, I would trust my life on.

 

There are some things best left to be made by the OEM.
I'm not sure how this happened to fall in to the "Just Too Hard to Do Here" category, perhaps it's really in the "Just Too Hard to Put an Honest Effort In" category?
Honestly there are just some things you cannot cut corners and do with the degree of safety necessary to sell to the public, this would be one of them.
If this is the gun they gave up for testing, what's the gun made on Monday morning after a three day weekend look like?

 

I just don't think people can come to terms with the actual cost it would take to make hammer forged parts for AKs in the US. Most AK buyers in the US expect low prices. How many would be in for a real hammer forged US made AK with a $2500 price tag?

 

I feel this is the case. At best, a hammer forged US AK with a $2500 price tag would probably cater to a niche market at best, particularly if it were something like a Type II or Type III that actually matched the originals.

 

Is anyone really surprised by this? Century has a (not so good) track record of building rifles. Why anyone would think the RAS47 would be any different is beyond me.

 

I've owned a Century with an issue or two, this is of a completely unprecedented magnitude in comparison to the worst I've seen them do.
At this point, I'm really not sure if he should still be shooting it from the shoulder.

 

It would be child's play for Ruger. Not enough interest.

That said, I have a Century C39V2 and it is one fine rifle in my opinion. Here are some of its older brothers...

Ed

 

Why in Hades is the bolt carrier body hollowed out with 2 see thru slots? Wouldn't that affect reliability?

 

On that note, why would anyone attempt to improve the reliability of a design that is venerated throughout the world, for? Reliability.

What we are witnessing is blasphemy.... and a waste of parts and ammunition. The world is diminished as a result of this product.
To the discriminating Kalashnikov shooter and collector, our rifles are inviolate examples of perfection. Communist cadres everywhere would cringe at this abortion in metal.

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You guys are all I got left....

 

Preaching to the choir but be safe.:thumbsup:

 

The RAS47 was one of the last on the list when I was last deciding to but another AK.
The reason I didn't buy it was because it had no bayo lug. Now I feel even better about my decision
even though I got lucky in my decision.

 

The loose rivet had me laughing so hard yesterday when I watched the video. My neighbor, an AK guy as well, came over to see what was so funny. I don't think either pin in the gas chamber is holding it on the barrel. The lowly WASR has moved up and laughs at this American AK.

 

if anyone wants to see Yeager call AKOU liars.

 

I dont normally wish harm to people, but I hope a RAS-47 blows up in his face, then maybe his instructors and students could have a few more negligent discharges in his direction.

 

The man has no credibility in my book. Rob Ski 2016

 

I agree with most of that rebuttal. I have 3 rifles built by century and have had no problem with them. My best friend got an arsenal and its all sorts of messed up. Thats just the way it goes sometimes.
However, his argument about chinese ak's being top shelf? Now I'm by no means an authority but I would bet that if they were still legal for import they wouldn't demand near the price they do now.

 

I agree with most of that rebuttal. I have 3 rifles built by century and have had no problem with them. My best friend got an arsenal and its all sorts of messed up. Thats just the way it goes sometimes.
However, his argument about chinese ak's being top shelf? Now I'm by no means an authority but I would bet that if they were still legal for import they wouldn't demand near the price they do now.

This is the only reason, and exactly the reason why the Chinese rifles are so expensive. Law of supply and demand really works. Even with the current high demand, if Chinese rifles were still allowed into the land of shall not be infringed, and there was never a ban on imports, not only would we obviously not be having this conversation, but the Chinese would be flooding the market with their rifles, keeping the prices way down.

The only reason we are seeing such high prices on all AK variants (think of the $250 SAR-1 that was laughed at in 1999) is because the rights of the people to keep and bear arms has been unconstitutionally infringed.

Enough to make an honest American really not happy.

 

whats the over/under on how many rounds till the rifle actually malfunctions?

 

Define Malfunction.If it was my definition it would be when the stock cracked. At that point it turned to a down hill ride to Crapsville.

 

IDK what the hell they are thinking on that gas block. Id be surprised if those pins even touch the barrel. That is so pathetic.....

 

2500 rounds though that's twice what I would have bet on it. lol

 

Although i'd be personally pissed if mine cracked like that, wood is a natural product and faults/defects shouldn't be that surprising. I was thinking more of a mechanical malfunction, failure to feed, failure to fire, etc. I hope Rob keeps jamming on that thing so we all can find out the answer.

 

We went away from hardwood on AK's because of cracking.... But now the most modern incarnation from them has hardwood... So that just validates the reason not to go with hardwood. Strike 1.

Then you have major issues with the following: FSB broke and is also rotating out of zero. When was the last time youve ever seen that happen on any ak? strike 2

Next part, gas block. It is moving ONLY AFTER 2500 rounds!?!?!? Are you joking? Plus it looks like the pins are for decoration only(cant wait to see how it looks when they take it off the barrel). Strike 3.

Im suprised the LHG retainer didnt fail...

Next part back is rear sight base. Fucking sight leaf broke. AFTER 2500 ROUNDS!?!???????>! Pathetic. Just pathetic. Its a shame someone invests so much money on a deficient product. Strike 4.

You asked for mechanical issues... Well those are all mechanical issues to me, however the gun is failing to eject on multiple occasions, (while being lubed frequently). AT ONLY 2500 rounds!?!?!? Strike 5.

I wouldnt trust that bolt or trunion locking lugs worth a shit if I knew about all of the above issues..... Hopefully nobody gets hurt.

Just so you know, there are guys out there who shoot 500 rounds a day at classes, and sometimes take 3 day+ classes. So, that means after just a few days using your rifle, it is basically garbage or needs a complete overhaul. That is not right. Show me another modern gun as bad as that...

 

Here is my take- I don't trust any US made AKs as of yet.

I would like to see a similar series of endurance tests on DDI guns too see how much better the DDI is and if it lives up to the claims for it-I would glady change my opinion then....I soo want something US made to work as well as the original that it is copied from.
Up to now I have seen many foreign made AKs hold up for thousands of rounds without any real failures (other than dud rounds and bad magazines)-I really hope we can get there sooner rather than later.

 

Not a 5k round test but, a pretty good test.

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I don't care if the front sight broke, wood broke or the gas block broke. NO quality rifle shoud do that in 2500 rounds! It's the differance between a milspec rifle and a commercial rifle.

As far as yeager, he's a puppet to the payroll.

 

The gas block is obviously not pinned to the barrel. The pins could not have even been contacting the barrel even slightly and the gas block moved. You can see the journal from which it was moving away. That part is probably the worst of all of it. I'm not surprised to see all the accelerated wear either. It's was happens when you take a known product and introduce a crap ton a changes to it all at once. They changed specs everywhere all the while nitrided the entire gun without truly knowing the effects of anything. It's an absolute perfect model for what not to do. The r&d on the AK is done and, if a company feels its a necessity, change one thing at a time.

 

I concur with my fellow Floridian that all rifles should undergo such testing.

 

Seriously though, I look forward to learning from this community. I'm no expert (as many of us are not). That RAS 47 looks pretty sad so far. I feel bad for all the people that spent their $ on these.

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I look at the wood as part of the gun. I understand there are better choices, but getting back to what is and is not a failure, I feel the wood failed when it cracked and I would feel the same way if it was any other rifle.
It is an example of what the manufacturer chose at the time to put on the rifle before it went out the door, if it fails, in my opinion that is because putting wood on there might have been a poor choice in the first place. You don't get a second chance to make a good first impression. Your choices of your building materials are yours and if you stand behind your brand name and a quality product that you produce, you own those decisions.
These same choices are also evident in metallurgy. Given the choice you go with the best available choice based upon where that metal is placed on the rifle. I understand that the test conditions were tough, but they were tough and still realistic.
Clearly the rifle is falling apart. Now you can say, "What do you expect from a cheap Rifle?", but is that what you want to put your name on?

 

I just see this whole thing as continued disrespect to the public on century's part. Thats all. Disrespect for peoples lives for profit. The lowest kind of low.

 

aside from the poor metal and wood quality, and the lack of skilled builders these seem ok though, no?

 

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?