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Hello! I am a journalist with limited knowledge on rifles. The sender of the photo claims these are AK47s.. where as my other friends says they r a Polish-variant based on ak47's

can someone please help me identify these? Thanks a lot.

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Sorry I could not upload the picture here due to file size restriction-- so uploaded to this URL:
https://mega.co.nz/#!WVYwkJrS!cmGb6OfRTiUqdJlIITSSl6BkcTDQ7_H1XYZAm38LRoY
The original PDf file is uploaded at this url.
 

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Hello! I am a journalist with limited knowledge on rifles. The sender of the photo claims these are AK47s.. where as my other friends says they r a Polish-variant based on ak47's

can someone please help me identify these? Thanks a lot.

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Sorry I could not upload the picture here due to file size restriction-- so uploaded to this URL:
https://mega.co.nz/#!WVYwkJrS!cmGb6OfRTiUqdJlIITSSl6BkcTDQ7_H1XYZAm38LRoY
I appreciate your effort to research your data, but IMO you should take a minute to reduce the size of your photographs and post them here. I'm not familiar with the website you linked to, and I think twice about downloading files from unfamiliar sites onto my computer.
 

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I'd like to help if I could, but I'm honestly pretty skeptical about clicking that link. Maybe use something a little less sketchy for the photo hosting.
 

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Where was this photo taken?

These are all AK variants with the exception of the third from the right INSAS rifle.... which is a rare bird.
 

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Bulgarian 2nd from left, Indian INSAS 4th from left. Polish PMKMS on the end. Not sure about the country of origin on the other especially the third one. Look at the mag. My guess would be either Romanian or Polish.
 

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#1, #3, and #5 all look Romanian to me. It looks like the push button folders and #3 appears to be an MD-86? These guys named the others.

I definitely do not recognize the style of mag in #3 though. Could possibly also be 5.56.
 

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Was this photo taken in Pakistan?

A technical note: the only true AK47 here is the clearly Bulgarian milled receiver AK, 2nd from the Left. The others of stamped receiver design, so are technically AKMs (same mechanical operation as an AK47, but built from lighter materials and cheaper manufacturing processes), except the INSAS which is more of an AK derivative design (I have no experience with the INSAS - I don't know if anybody but the Indians have access to them). The wire-type folding stock and particular hardwood furniture on 1,3 & 5 would mark them as probably being Polish or Romanian (East Germans used a similar stock, but the wood looks Romy and the DDR guns are less common on the world market). The one underfolder on the far right I have no idea - could be Polish.

Added Note: Now that I think about it, I don't believe the Poles ever made the wire-stocked WZ88 in 7.62, so the wire stocked guns are most likely Romanian.
 

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IMHO., left to right. ??

Romanian AKM Md65 7.62
Bulgarian AK47M 7.62
Romanian Md86 5.45?
Indian INSAS as noted
Romanian Md65 7.62
Polish PMKMS 7.62

It appears there is some minor parts swapping (grips, handguards?)., so there could be some false flags for a ID in one cursory photo.
 

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Third from left looks like a Romy export 5.56 with an INSAS 5.56 mag. though how it ended up in this neck of the woods is anyone's guess. Pretty motley crew if this is the best weapons cache they can assemble for a PR shot.

in the first version of this post I was thinking that the last one was an early md65 based on wood and angle of the stock. Then realized that the entire stock would be wrong for that. That said, it seems like the Polish underfolders do pretty much come straight out from the back of the receiver, while this one appears to be somewhat angled downward.
 

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From the article: "(3 PAKMS wz.88, 1 PAKMS wz.80, and 1 PAKMS wz.90) identical to the Soviet made Automatic Kalashnikov series ..."

I just find it funny, that even after the guns are IDed by people who actually know what they are, the journalists just run with "whaddever" based on their own pet theories anyway when it comes to print. "...
my other friends says they r a Polish-variant based on ak47's", so let's just go with that guy who doesn't know jack, even though folks in the know can tell you the wire stocks pretty much solidly identify three guns as Romanian, and the combination of milled receiver and particular furniture of another can ONLY be Bulgarian.

It makes me chuckle is all. I can tell y'all from experience, media in the US is NO different than this.
 

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From the article: "(3 PAKMS wz.88, 1 PAKMS wz.80, and 1 PAKMS wz.90) identical to the Soviet made Automatic Kalashnikov series ..."

I just find it funny, that even after the guns are IDed by people who actually know what they are, the journalists just run with "whaddever" based on their own pet theories anyway when it comes to print. "...
my other friends says they r a Polish-variant based on ak47's", so let's just go with that guy who doesn't know jack, even though folks in the know can tell you the wire stocks pretty much solidly identify three guns as Romanian, and the combination of milled receiver and particular furniture of another can ONLY be Bulgarian.

It makes me chuckle is all. I can tell y'all from experience, media in the US is NO different than this.
The quote from the article actually starts by saying they are Tantals which is even more silly.
"UNLFW seized 5 Polish made Tantal assault rifles (3 PAKMS wz.88, 1 PAKMS wz.80, and 1 PAKMS wz.90) identical to the...."

Unfortunately even though great information was offered the OP might not have understood it or might not have received it in time to get the article out. Or a copy editor rejected the updated information. We'll never know the whole story. But I am again reminded that having knowledge and communicating knowledge are different things.

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the pic Richard posted helps enlarge it at first until my computer for some reason makes it small again which I was unable to fix. take a better look at the gasblocks. they were late cast pattern either made late in akm production in Russia, east Germany or after 1985 in Poland. those types of gasblocks migfht also be copied in the paki afghan tribal areas possibly which other aspects also point to. a pic with no close ups is tough. the 223 cal wire folder with insas mag sticking out of it begs the question how is that possible? im leaning towards either polish pmkm or Russian akm with romy bolt on folder added on rifle 1 if not made in Khyber pass entirely. rifle 2 is Bulgarian extremely modern folder now hitting the world market. important to note usa is the biggest exporter of these Bulgarian weapons to middle east. we have destroted their weapons and basically emptied the Bulgarian factory buying so many they have shown up everywhere in Iraq as most common in fullstock model. usa Iraqi contract was mostly old bakelite salmon stocked guns retrofitted with black polymer. the 3rd ''insas 223 mag rifle'' just seems Khyber. 4th is indian insas 223 ak variant with early wood stocks. 5th from left is a repeat of the 1st but notice it has a swept back rear bottom of grip like Bulgarian salmon grips etc have [possibly a khyber clue] 6th from left has a lot going on that doesn't make sense again unless Khyber. 6th has late off cast gasblock like possible Khyber local market clones before but also has the dropdown stock angle rear trunnion with in-line stock arms. that also seems popular in Khyber rifles and begs the question is it a Russian akms or polish pmkms or Khyber? my guess on the 4 oddballs is all Khyber. the bulgy is so new how did it get mixed up with these is a nice question. the insas being mixed in there is just awesome to see! insas production never got caught up for having excess for foreign sales outside india most think. the radio makes me think these were captured. isis???
 

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the bolt carriers on all 4 unidentified rifles have the akm stepdown pattern and odd grey worn metal look like paint was cheap and on bare metal. that might lean towards a Khyber clue if all are same fake rolex copies made in paki afghan shops. rifle next to radio has oddly pronounced palm swell ive seen before on rare occasions on Russian and Romanian but very possible on Khyber. ive got to go with my gut instinct here and say Khyber pass rifles is best bet. hard to tell without trunnion pics and better pics.
 

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I enlarged the pic just now and noticed the 223 insas akm has a normal mid era akm gasblock and fsb but the combo still only points towards Khyber oddball mfr since the insas mag and parts combo doesn't otherwise make sense to any known factory format. it also has an insas sling on it if its any clue at all. many have slings mismatched. rifle by radio has hardwood grip with swept back bottom like found in Pakistani fake copies of Russian as seen here in stacks of rifles a soldier posted.
 
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