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I have a question about Hi-Point firearms.
Specifically for people who don’t like them. I have never owned or shot a Hi-Point pistol. I own a 4095 and like it a lot. Never had a problem with a FTF or FTE. Why do people not like them? Have you ever had a catastrophic failure with one? Inaccurate? The stigma of an inexpensive pistol?
I hear a lot of people say they would never trust their life with one, but why?
I’m really looking for people with experience with the handguns…. curiosity really…. I’m wondering why people with experience with them don’t like them.
 

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Ive had one, functionally, it was fine, ergonomically, it blew.

A Hi-Point is better than a stick, and should be a stepping stone to a better gun.
 

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They're not bad when kept in the nightstand drawer or under the pickup truck seat . . .


I'd not want to concealed carry one
 

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I have a C9 and a couple guys i shoot with have them too. I think it's a great plinking gun, it's heavier than the more expensive pistols but for the price it's hard to beat. The only bad thing i can say about it is the 10 round mag they offer seems to jam alot.
 

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Cheap guns, gang bangers love them because of that.
You can arm the whole gang for the price of 6-7 Glocks.
Cheap enough that if you loose one or have to ditch it,
it's not a big loss. They do work usually, at least for a while.

HI-Point, The MoPed of handguns...

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I bought one for me and my kid. They were our first handguns. They have been perfectly reliable after a short break in period and no limp wristing. If you limp wrist a blowback operated gun, they will fail to feed.

Ugly as sin but they did the job.

Sold one the other day to a young man who was looking to get his first pistol. We keep the other one as a "under the couch" gun.

They do take a licking and keep on ticking and if they do break, they have a great warranty.

I love my 995 carbine, great little gun.
 

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I have shot them, and sold a few when working on the other side of the counter. They have their place in the gun world. If you have very little $ and are in need of protection right now they are right up your alley. Like someone else already said they SHOULD be a stepping stone to a better weapon. We used to joke that with every free Hi-Point T s-Shirt we sold we gave a way a free gun.. They are an ok plinker, but they weigh a TON. The company uses automotive metal sintering/casting technology to build them cheaply. The overall design has been around for ever, (late 50s-early 60s).


The store that used to work at stopped selling them cold for a few years. In a matter of a couple months time the 2 he ended up selling in this time period, were both used in terrible ways. (1 man came in bought it and directly drove down to the river and committed suicide, the other went directly home after purchasing it and accosted his "cheat'n" wife and took his 3 kids and wife hostage for 5 hours.). :neutral: I am not saying that the guns themselves had anything to do with the manner in wich they were used, but that they seemed to attract the wrong type of customer. When they were displayed out with the rest of the merchandise, it seemed every "Gang banger/pimp wannabe" and slob white trash type would be in looking for one. When you stand there for half an hour trying to communicate with some person that speaks like he is from another planet and acts like a scumbag idiot, telling them that they MUST fill out a 4473, and that NO you cant "trow in" a "Beam" and "a halfa boxa Taolnz" and knock $50 off of the bottom rung price - you really do come to the conclusion that they (the guns) are either not worth carrying, or displaying.

The shop does sell them again now, but they are kept in the back vault where the potential Rif-Raf cannot see them, and to be honest they only show them to people that they know an or judge to be of sound character..
 

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nalioth said:
I'd not want to concealed carry one
Is it the size that’s the problem?
Like I said, I have never shot one but have held many. Quite bulky.
But I do hear a lot of Hi-point bashing.
I guess this came about the other day when a friend of mine said "Hi-point, what a piece of s***." I asked if he owned one had he replied no.
I prodded him a little as to why he thought they were pieces of 's***' and he kept saying, "Because they are."
I was just wondering if anyone had a real issue with a Hi-point.
 

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KyAKGuy said:
Cheap guns, gang bangers love them because of that.
You can arm the whole gang for the price of 6-7 Glocks.
Cheap enough that if you loose one or have to ditch it,
it's not a big loss. They do work usually, at least for a while.

HI-Point, The MoPed of handguns...

KyAKGuy
yep, most guns Ive found were of the hi-point/bryco/jennings linage, but I did find a BHP longslide once.

All people need to remember is no matter what the price is or what kind of rep it has, it'll kill you dead just as well as anything else.
 

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apb2772 said:
I am not saying that the guns themselves had anything to do with the manner in which they were used, but that they seemed to attract the wrong type of customer. When they were displayed out with the rest of the merchandise, it seemed every "Gang banger/pimp wannabe" and slob white trash type would be in looking for one.
Yup, Hit the nail on the head.
Somewhere i heard that Hi-Point is the highest percentages of gun traces done by the National Tracing Center.
Sometimes its better to not sell something in order to avoid the additional
scrutiny the associated product can bring upon your place of business.

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I guess I can't imagine a scenario where I couldn't afford $300-$350 that it would take to get a used glock, smith, etc.

Deliver pizzas in your spare time for a week and you can have a exponentially higher quality pistol.
 
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My neighbor just turned 21 and bought a hi-point. Took him to the range and shot the hi-point and my Springfield xd40. He then took the hi-point back to the store and is saving up for a used xd.


The ergonomics are terrible, it is ugly, the accuracy blows, feels like it would be better used as a club(heavy), and only holds ten rounds. :puke:
 

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A family member of mine (brother in law, in law? Hell, I don't know) has one in .380. It is ugly. It is heavy. It is ergonomic... compared to a CETME with a broken cocking handle...


But it is, however, very reliable and also pretty accurate. At 25 yards it will run alongside a Makarov. If you simply can't afford a better pistol (no lie, some people are in that situation) then it is a decent starter pistol.
 

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Well,they look like they where made for pistol whipping !
 

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KyAKGuy said:
apb2772 said:
I am not saying that the guns themselves had anything to do with the manner in which they were used, but that they seemed to attract the wrong type of customer. When they were displayed out with the rest of the merchandise, it seemed every "Gang banger/pimp wannabe" and slob white trash type would be in looking for one.
Yup, Hit the nail on the head.
Somewhere i heard that Hi-Point is the highest percentages of gun traces done by the National Tracing Center.
Sometimes its better to not sell something in order to avoid the additional
scrutiny the associated product can bring upon your place of business.

KyAKGuy
Yup.
 

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KyAKGuy said:
apb2772 said:
I am not saying that the guns themselves had anything to do with the manner in which they were used, but that they seemed to attract the wrong type of customer. When they were displayed out with the rest of the merchandise, it seemed every "Gang banger/pimp wannabe" and slob white trash type would be in looking for one.
Yup, Hit the nail on the head.
Somewhere i heard that Hi-Point is the highest percentages of gun traces done by the National Tracing Center.
Sometimes its better to not sell something in order to avoid the additional
scrutiny the associated product can bring upon your place of business.

KyAKGuy
My dealer won't take in, or sell any Hi-Points, Ravens, Lorcins, Brycos, Jennings, Jimenez, etc. guns for the same reason.

They are worth nothing in trade, and they would have a hard time reselling them for profit, since they are supposed to be cheap to begin with.
 

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apb2772 said:
I I am not saying that the guns themselves had anything to do with the manner in wich they were used, but that they seemed to attract the wrong type of customer. When they were displayed out with the rest of the merchandise, it seemed every "Gang banger/pimp wannabe" and slob white trash type would be in looking for one. When you stand there for half an hour trying to communicate with some person that speaks like he is from another planet and acts like a scumbag idiot, telling them that they MUST fill out a 4473, and that NO you cant "trow in" a "Beam" and "a halfa boxa Taolnz" and knock $50 off of the bottom rung price - you really do come to the conclusion that they (the guns) are either not worth carrying, or displaying.
:lol:
I've sold maybe a hundred of these "delightful" handguns at work, and your customer interactions/depictions coincidentally resemble 100% of all my transactions!

Funny thing is, another "Unsavory fellow(s)" are usually within earshot
and convey: "Yo, you don't want none o' dem Hi-Point Nines. Dem things be jambin' all da time." "Them shit's iz gahhbage". "My boy got shot
5 times wit' one o' dem and he walked dat shit off...dem shit's iz weak."

My usual retort: "But Sir, they have a life-time warranty...":mrgreen:

Unsavory fellow(s): "Shiieeeeet, I betz dey do!":lol:
 

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The only way the place that I used to work for will take in "High" point or the like is if it is in a batch of guns all bought as a single package. And even then, it is made clear that upon purchasing the said batch of guns that he ascribes absolutely NO value at all to the junker in the process of haggling . Every so often the boss and other people in his immediate employment take the "hood specials" town to the gun for groceries or guns for $100 checks police programs, and trade them in. It's the best fate in the world for the "hood specials"... :wink:

What kills me is when you got one of these "characters" wanting/trying to purchase one they will totally want to beat you down to the ridges of a dime on the cost of the gun. But in the same transaction they will be TOTALLY willing to throw piles of $ at a laser (or "BEAM" in slangbonics) THAT WON'T EVEN WORK ON IT!!

The way we made sure that one of a group characters in the shop wasn't straw purchasing for one of his buddies is we would make EVEREYBODY in the group fill out a 4473 and if everybody passes the purchaser gets his gun....

All in all the High Point carbines properly streamlined are actually a tolerable piece of kit. Not something that I would rely on for my "go to" rifle, but they are ok..


--->APB
 

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I've actually considered buying one just for the hell of it. I figured I could throw it under the seat of my truck and it it gets beat up then I'm not out anything...

Jbrown said:
My neighbor just turned 21 and bought a hi-point. Took him to the range and shot the hi-point and my Springfield xd40. He then took the hi-point back to the store and is saving up for a used xd.
:roll: How do you take a gun that has been fired back to the store?

I always thought that was illegal...
 
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