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Well, my oh my...looks like there is some info that can be gleaned off that kit for the database. Besides that, I don't trust missmatched kits. You might as well say your just buying a barreled action with rear trunion...those are the only valuable parts on that. Look at the trgger, it's a double hook. I've seen too many kits, that had many of the german parts replaced with parts of questionable original. Or, it was never complete, so the owner made it complete to sell (ie. with non German parts). I'm sure the kits been whored out from it's original state...or is a PLO.
 

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Really? Glad I didn't buy that kit. How rare are these E. Germans anyway? Any idea on how many were imported? I did not notice the double hook but I did think it was a little wierd the top cover/gas tube was replaced "in the field or a the factory," cuz why would that be necessary but the rest of the parts look new/undamaged?
 

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My buddy has an mpi-km kit that was parkerized and had an israeli stamp on the side of the receiver...bears an odd resemblence to this kit.
 

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Well, my oh my...looks like there is some info that can be gleaned off that kit for the database. Besides that, I don't trust missmatched kits. You might as well say your just buying a barreled action with rear trunion...those are the only valuable parts on that. Look at the trgger, it's a double hook. I've seen too many kits, that had many of the german parts replaced with parts of questionable original. Or, it was never complete, so the owner made it complete to sell (ie. with non German parts). I'm sure the kits been whored out from it's original state...or is a PLO.
Why are you hatin' on my kit like that you jealous bastard? :razz:

Let me know next time you see a matching barreled EG action for sale, particularly one that isn't a pre-production crutch folder. Yes it's a PLO kit, one that was really sold to the PLO by the East Germans, not just Egyptian surplus. Yes it has a US trigger and disco. And the gas tube, upper HG and top cover don't match...darn, like we don't have plenty of those floating around brand new. I think had you seen the other pics you might not be so negative about it. That barrel looks unfired, there is almost no wear on the bolt or breech face. It's definitely the original blue finish, not parked. I think it will make a great build, don't worry, I'll send you pics to hate-on some more.
 

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Well, my oh my...looks like there is some info that can be gleaned off that kit for the database. Besides that, I don't trust missmatched kits. You might as well say your just buying a barreled action with rear trunion...those are the only valuable parts on that. Look at the trgger, it's a double hook. I've seen too many kits, that had many of the german parts replaced with parts of questionable original. Or, it was never complete, so the owner made it complete to sell (ie. with non German parts). I'm sure the kits been whored out from it's original state...or is a PLO.
Why are you hatin' on my kit like that you jealous bastard? :razz:

Let me know next time you see a matching barreled EG action for sale, particularly one that isn't a pre-production crutch folder. Yes it's a PLO kit, one that was really sold to the PLO by the East Germans, not just Egyptian surplus. Yes it has a US trigger and disco. And the gas tube, upper HG and top cover don't match...darn, like we don't have plenty of those floating around brand new. I think had you seen the other pics you might not be so negative about it. That barrel looks unfired, there is almost no wear on the bolt or breech face. It's definitely the original blue finish, not parked. I think it will make a great build, don't worry, I'll send you pics to hate-on some more.
Steve your kit is all butt 100% identical to mine right down to the mismatched EG gas tube, top cover and the non EG fire control that was thrown in to make it complete! Check your right side of the receiver and see if you can locate the jewish waffenampt :)grin: ) Also the park isn’t original when you slide the hg retainer or gas tube lever you will see the original blue. I have examined many israeli weapons and it is the same exact park gray finish they applied to everything that gets in there way :grin: .
 

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Well, my oh my...looks like there is some info that can be gleaned off that kit for the database. Besides that, I don't trust missmatched kits. You might as well say your just buying a barreled action with rear trunion...those are the only valuable parts on that. Look at the trgger, it's a double hook. I've seen too many kits, that had many of the german parts replaced with parts of questionable original. Or, it was never complete, so the owner made it complete to sell (ie. with non German parts). I'm sure the kits been whored out from it's original state...or is a PLO.
Why are you hatin' on my kit like that you jealous bastard? :razz:

Let me know next time you see a matching barreled EG action for sale, particularly one that isn't a pre-production crutch folder. Yes it's a PLO kit, one that was really sold to the PLO by the East Germans, not just Egyptian surplus. Yes it has a US trigger and disco. And the gas tube, upper HG and top cover don't match...darn, like we don't have plenty of those floating around brand new. I think had you seen the other pics you might not be so negative about it. That barrel looks unfired, there is almost no wear on the bolt or breech face. It's definitely the original blue finish, not parked. I think it will make a great build, don't worry, I'll send you pics to hate-on some more.
lol, my luck that someone on the boards bought it. All negatives aside. You did get the most valuable items out there...which is the barreled action, trigger guard and rear trunion. and yes, I am jealous of your barrel and gas block :evil:
 

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No AKM kit is worth that kind of money, no matter where it came from. It's a kit! assemble it on a US receiver, and what do you have? a parts kit gun, that is no better or worse then a Romainia 200 dollar kit assembled on a US receiver. hardly worth paying that much money just because the trunion has a E. German stamping on it. it won't shoot any better.
 

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No AKM kit is worth that kind of money, no matter where it came from. It's a kit! assemble it on a US receiver, and what do you have? a parts kit gun, that is no better or worse then a Romainia 200 dollar kit assembled on a US receiver. hardly worth paying that much money just because the trunion has a E. German stamping on it. it won't shoot any better.
AK-haters know no borders. You are in the wrong forum buddy.

"It's about the Kalashnikov...not the money!"
 

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AK-haters know no borders. You are in the wrong forum buddy.
I am hardly a so called "AK hater", have quite a few, buddy. Just making a true comment about it.
 

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Caligula said:
No AKM kit is worth that kind of money, no matter where it came from. It's a kit! assemble it on a US receiver, and what do you have? a parts kit gun, that is no better or worse then a Romainia 200 dollar kit assembled on a US receiver. hardly worth paying that much money just because the trunion has a E. German stamping on it. it won't shoot any better.
AK-haters know no borders. You are in the wrong forum buddy.

"It's about the Kalashnikov...not the money!"
Roger that. +1. Stop hating. Yes, there ARE AKM kits worth that much. They're worth that much because people choose to pay that much for them. Just like people probably "overpay" for artwork, "limited edition" cars, toys from the 50s and designer perfume. It's about exclusivity/rarity bla bla bla.

You can argue that maybe he paid a little too much based on those factors, but you can't say it's no "better" than a romy because 1) There ARE differences in machining quality, finish quality, tolerances, etc between romies and, for example, russians. Polish kits are also EXCELLENT quality if you ask me. 2) As I said before, it's a collectors item, valuable because of it's history, origin, rarity, etc. If you're implying that a genuine, Full auto russian AKM would be worthy of paying more money than a romanian because it's not "just" a kit gun, it's a "real" russian gun, then sure I would agree with you. The problem is, kit guns to a lot of people are more than good enough, and, oh yeah, they're the closest thing anyone is ever going to get. Just because you can't get a "real" Russian FA AKM (because there friggin aren't any legally importable into the US) doesn't mean a well built kit gun isn't really friggin awesome and valuable.

I'm tired of people saying kit guns are "just" kit guns like they have absolutely no more value than a WASR. I'm sorry that's just ridiculous. They may not be more valuable to you, but clearly they are more valuable to at least a small select group of wackos like us who bid them up. Just look at the bid history. If you like to buy WASRs and romies and build them into shooters, more power to you. But there's more to the hobby than just shooters. I think you may have noticed that being this forum a while, with people getting all hung up about the "right" muzzle brake for their production period and getting pissed off if their kit doesn't arrive with the original (admittedly) crappy combloc finish and authentic vodka odor.

And I don't know that much about E German kits, but I'd say he got a fine price for it, not overpaying at all. Hope I can pick one up myself someday.
 

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AK-haters know no borders. You are in the wrong forum buddy.
I am hardly a so called "AK hater", have quite a few, buddy. Just making a true comment about it.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude or flamey or anything like that. But your statement is objectively not a "true comment." We can post dozens upon dozens of russian, bulgarian, etc kits that have sold, recently, for lots of money, lots more than the romy kits sell for. As I said before, you may think exotic kits are not worth more money because they don't shoot any better. If their only market value were in function and everyone else came at it from the same perspective, then I would agree with you 100%.

I would agree with you 100%, for the most part I'd say a Russian is at best marginally better than a romy, when it comes to accuracy, function, etc etc. I like to shoot Aks too, but I don't shoot anything other than my WASR because the "kit" guns are just too sweet.

But again, the exotic kits are worth more because people pay more for them, just like any other in a market. For example, people pay more for a Dual pentium IV or whatever we're up to now than a used 486 DX2 66 Mhz computer. Why? Because in that market they don't give a crap about where the chip comes from, and none of the chips are "rare." The people care about performance, and that's what gets the money. Different market, different values.

You're comparing apples to oranges, Calig.
 

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If you think WE'RE nuts for spending this much money on "just" kits, try hkpro.com.

The prices/how much people value authenticity etc over there will knock your socks off. I was a frequent user of that forum until I was seduced by the lovely odor of ak's cosmoline and got a little sidetracked away from my mp5 build.
 

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Bottom line there's two things going on here:

1. Capitalism. Free market supply and demand. Socialist countries like Italy apparently don't understand this. :razz:

2. Pursuit of Happiness. I like to collect East German AKs, parts, and accesories. It's fun for me.

:dance: God Bless America!! :dance:
 

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Bottom line there's two things going on here:

1. Capitalism. Free market supply and demand. Socialist countries like Italy apparently don't understand this. :razz:

2. Pursuit of Happiness. I like to collect East German AKs, parts, and accesories. It's fun for me.

:dance: God Bless America!! :dance:

Amen to that. Its YOUR money if you want to blow your nose or wipe your ass with it more power to you. If your happy thats all that counts.
 

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Steve, why does E german stuff in particular "do it" for you? I'm sort of into them all.
 

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AK-haters know no borders. You are in the wrong forum buddy.
Just making a true comment about it.
Caligula,

I suggest you keep these comments to yourself. You've added NO VALUE to this gentleman's purchase except an attempt to make him feel like an ass.

BTW... I love the kit! You don't see to many of these around. Congratulations.
 
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