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Bulgaria has bought from china dies to reproduce their famous 75 round
drums mags, which are made in Bulgaria stamped 10 and are exact copies of the chin. ones, and these are for sale in US for $158. and the price will drop when more arrive! They have already shipped 5000. here so far to 3 diff. distrib. this is great news! :hail: :grin: :razz:
 

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Re: New made 75 round drum mags avail. for $158. Chin. versi

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Bulgaria has bought from china dies to reproduce their famous 75 round
drums mags, which are made in Bulgaria stamped 10 and are exact copies of the chin. ones, and these are for sale in US for $158. and the price will drop when more arrive! They have already shipped 5000. here so far to 3 diff. distrib. this is great news! :hail: :grin: :razz:
AIM has stated on another forum that they paid a pretty penny for them to begin with and doubt any subsequent shipments will be bringing a substantial price drop. So if you are holding out for sub $100 drums, you maybe missing out waiting.

My advice when it comes to imports is to strike while the Iron is hot. No guarantees on what will come next if anything.
 

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They are copies of the original made on old equipment selling for about the same price...


If they had to pay a lot to get them here, well maybe they should have waited... $158 + $10-15 shipping for a copy or buy an original in the EE (for sale now) for $170 shipped. I've seen them sell for cheaper than that too.
 

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If they had to pay a lot to get them here, well maybe they should have waited... $158 + $10-15 shipping for a copy or buy an original in the EE (for sale now) for $170 shipped. I've seen them sell for cheaper than that too.
Why wait? The market is what it is. If I had the same capital to but 5000 drums and sell them for $159 maybe making $20-$50 profit (just a guess), I would do it to.

The market is restricted on supply and wholesale price is not cheap and so the market will bear the higher price. I do not like the higher price more than anybody else but I do not see anybody here in the USA puting up the capital to make them cheaper or source them cheaper. These importers/distributors are not running a cheap drum welfare program.
 

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Q-gunner2 said:
If they had to pay a lot to get them here, well maybe they should have waited... $158 + $10-15 shipping for a copy or buy an original in the EE (for sale now) for $170 shipped. I've seen them sell for cheaper than that too.
Why wait? The market is what it is. If I had the same capital to but 5000 drums and sell them for $159 maybe making $20-$50 profit (just a guess), I would do it to.

The market is restricted on supply and wholesale price is not cheap and so the market will bear the higher price. I do not like the higher price more than anybody else but I do not see anybody here in the USA puting up the capital to make them cheaper or source them cheaper. These importers/distributors are not running a cheap drum welfare program.
I Bet ARSENAL BG Got that Tooling DIRT CHEAP - and they will make
as MANY DRUMS as they can sell !!

AND , I Bet the RETAILERS are making more than $50 each. :wink:
 

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AND , I Bet the RETAILERS are making more than $50 each. :wink:

I will take your bet. What do you want to wager? Also, you will have to do the leg work to prove yourself right or wrong.

Hootbro
 

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I just wonder if they are as good as the chin. in function and or value?
I have a couple of chin. but the way i look at it, is that i do have the real thing, and not a clone of one! Just my opinion, but i wonder if the value of the chin. will drop? Distr. are selling the chin. 75ers for $250. :roll:
 

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If they're selling the Bulgarian drums for $159, then the price of the original Chinese drums will be jumping -- again -- regardless of how many drums the Bulgarians are bringing in.

My guess is we'll see $200+ as an average price for a new Chinese 75 very shortly.
 

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Hootbro said:
Q-gunner2 said:
If they had to pay a lot to get them here, well maybe they should have waited... $158 + $10-15 shipping for a copy or buy an original in the EE (for sale now) for $170 shipped. I've seen them sell for cheaper than that too.
Why wait? The market is what it is. If I had the same capital to but 5000 drums and sell them for $159 maybe making $20-$50 profit (just a guess), I would do it to.

The market is restricted on supply and wholesale price is not cheap and so the market will bear the higher price. I do not like the higher price more than anybody else but I do not see anybody here in the USA puting up the capital to make them cheaper or source them cheaper. These importers/distributors are not running a cheap drum welfare program.

Wait because if they had the Bulgarians would have lowered the price since other countries just get Chinese drums from China for a lot less (like the guy in Poland who was selling them here).


Their cost to make these- since it is nothing but steel stampings and spot welds- is probably less than $20. Yet I bet the Bulgarians charged a lot more... plus, considering the drop in Bulgarian quality lately (trouble with Arsenal rifles, the new slab-side and bullet mags, etc) I do not see the point in spending more for what is not only a copy, but may be a poorer quality copy at that.
 

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Hootbro said:
[quote="Q-gunner2":1xd7cwks]

If they had to pay a lot to get them here, well maybe they should have waited... $158 + $10-15 shipping for a copy or buy an original in the EE (for sale now) for $170 shipped. I've seen them sell for cheaper than that too.
Why wait? The market is what it is. If I had the same capital to but 5000 drums and sell them for $159 maybe making $20-$50 profit (just a guess), I would do it to.

The market is restricted on supply and wholesale price is not cheap and so the market will bear the higher price. I do not like the higher price more than anybody else but I do not see anybody here in the USA puting up the capital to make them cheaper or source them cheaper. These importers/distributors are not running a cheap drum welfare program.

Wait because if they had the Bulgarians would have lowered the price since other countries just get Chinese drums from China for a lot less (like the guy in Poland who was selling them here).


Their cost to make these- since it is nothing but steel stampings and spot welds- is probably less than $20. Yet I bet the Bulgarians charged a lot more... plus, considering the drop in Bulgarian quality lately (trouble with Arsenal rifles, the new slab-side and bullet mags, etc) I do not see the point in spending more for what is not only a copy, but may be a poorer quality copy at that.[/quote:1xd7cwks]

+1 wow I agree with you Q
 

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Their cost to make these- since it is nothing but steel stampings and spot welds- is probably less than $20. Yet I bet the Bulgarians charged a lot more... plus, considering the drop in Bulgarian quality lately (trouble with Arsenal rifles, the new slab-side and bullet mags, etc) I do not see the point in spending more for what is not only a copy, but may be a poorer quality copy at that.
So what is the solution? Should we be paying Bulgarian manufacturing cost plus $5 for these?

The Bulgarians have to sell for a "profit". The Importer has to buy them for what the Bulgarians sell them for. the Importer has to pay for shipping and customs cost. Then the importer has to make his profit by selling them to a retailer/distributor. Then the distributor/retailer has to make their profit by then selling retail.

Where's the gouging going on then? Were is the unfair market practices being implemented?

The days of cheap surplus are over. Now to play, we have to pay higher cost of new manufacture goods that are being done by market concerns that want to charge a "market" price. Until like products come from other makers and we have competition, prices will not go down for the foreseeable future.
 

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I can't believe people are talking about buying these, it's a ripoff. Why would somebody be willing to pay these kind of prices. Is there a ban in place? 160 bucks for a novelty piece of formed tin? These would sell for $9.99 at WalMart, but coming out of Bulgaria they somehow get to be $160 + shipping.
 

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Hootbro said:
Q-gunner2 said:
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Their cost to make these- since it is nothing but steel stampings and spot welds- is probably less than $20. Yet I bet the Bulgarians charged a lot more... plus, considering the drop in Bulgarian quality lately (trouble with Arsenal rifles, the new slab-side and bullet mags, etc) I do not see the point in spending more for what is not only a copy, but may be a poorer quality copy at that.
So what is the solution? Should we be paying Bulgarian manufacturing cost plus $5 for these?

The Bulgarians have to sell for a "profit". The Importer has to buy them for what the Bulgarians sell them for. the Importer has to pay for shipping and customs cost. Then the importer has to make his profit by selling them to a retailer/distributor. Then the distributor/retailer has to make their profit by then selling retail.

Where's the gouging going on then? Were is the unfair market practices being implemented?

The days of cheap surplus are over. Now to play, we have to pay higher cost of new manufacture goods that are being done by market concerns that want to charge a "market" price. Until like products come from other makers and we have competition, prices will not go down for the foreseeable future.

Theoretically... lets say the Bulgarians sell them for $50. More than double their money- and thats assuming the ridiculously high price of $25 for that stamped steel drum, but whatever.

Shipping is less than $3 a drum. They ship 5,000 drums to one large shipping crate, and if you are telling me it takes more than $15,000 to ship one crate across the sea then hell I need to be in the shipping buisness. So long as it isn't the only crate on the barge, it is not going to be that costly.

Taxes are paid, cargo is inspected, items are shipped to the actual importer VIA tractor trailer. Say $2,000 to get that crate shipped to the importer on a tractor trailer for 5,000 drums in one crate (highly experienced trucker at $41 an hour, plus gas and trucking company profit). So that adds 40 cents of cost per drum. Then another $2,000 in import fees. So that adds another 40 cents per drum. Then the importer ships those drums out to a distributor (such as Copes)... lets say another $15 per drum, even though they probably ship hundreds at a time in a large crate to reduce cost (so say $300 to ship 500 drums in one crate).

So now we are up to $68.80 per drum to get them into distributor hands.


The distributor (say, Copes) decides to get $40 in profit per drum, so they sell them at $108.80 plus shipping. Wow! Decent price, everyone is happy, taxes and shipping have been paid and we all smile.



PROBLEM: Bulgaria wants to more than double their money. They want 5 times the cash back, if not more, because they are greedy. So that jacks the price.

PROBLEM #2: Importers give in to the greed, like they did with Lithuanian .308.

PROBLEM #3: We buy the overpriced crap to reinforce the negative behavior of giving in to other countries.




See where it goes? Now, I may be misplacing the greed... some of it may be on Copes... but knowing the trends, I am betting Bulgaria is sitting back laughing their heads off at the overpriced shit we buy. Plus, a lot of people who know what is what stick up for Copes when it comes to pricing... so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
 

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...................Why would somebody be willing to pay these kind of prices. .....................
Because "worth" is not always directly related to cost. Since they are not selling for $9.99 at Wal-Mart or anywhere else for that matter, supply is constricted and controlled by the sole source importer and price is dictated by the importer and retailers.

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Theoretically... lets say the Bulgarians sell them for $50. More than double their money. .......................
I do not disagree with you on the outrageous pricing but what is the solution? There is none unless other market competitors and avenues come into play. We are dealing with a monopolistic product placement.

Everybody is a Capitalist when they are selling but are a Socialist when they want to buy. Can not have it both ways.
 
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