You saw what? I don't see nothin.TheBulge said:
New Arsenal US Made Brake?
I saw this today. Looks pretty sweet. Too bad its $99 :shock:
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http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?p ... t=0&page=1
Wonder what they have been smoking for that price.. :neutral:
Wonder what they have been smoking for that price.. :neutral:
thats not even an accurate repro of a Bulgarian comp, not that it matters I guess. I stick with Krebs for $40.
The description reads "half-moon" model, and "one-piece." Is this supposed to be a copy of a 1st generation (1974-78) russian muzzle break? The upper and lower "bridges" appear the pattern/style of a zig-zag break , but the openings are semi-round ("half-moon") and appears to have a slightly recessed shoulder. Obviously the collar is different as well. I haven't checked the thread/sticky on the Russian AK-74 development yet, but am gonna head over there and take a serious look at the pic of the 1st gen 74...
Too expensive? - probably. But for those attempting to build a 1st Gen AK-74 clone - it could be that one distinctive-looking piece that sets their gun apart (as originals are next to impossible to find). Not to mention the 922r bonus.
I understand that K-Var has fallen out of favor w/many due to their seeming dis-interest in getting new parts stocked and their "got the market cornered" mentality in prices (aint capitalism wonderful? :neutral: ...). But lets not be too quick on the trigger (so to speak).
Too expensive? - probably. But for those attempting to build a 1st Gen AK-74 clone - it could be that one distinctive-looking piece that sets their gun apart (as originals are next to impossible to find). Not to mention the 922r bonus.
I understand that K-Var has fallen out of favor w/many due to their seeming dis-interest in getting new parts stocked and their "got the market cornered" mentality in prices (aint capitalism wonderful? :neutral: ...). But lets not be too quick on the trigger (so to speak).
OK, after checking the AK-74 production sticky...
The sticky claims that "pre-production" AK-74s had a one-piece design and were of the half-moon pattern. Also, the pre-production models supposedly had a "long collar." There is no close-up picture of the pre-production model but there is a profile picture, and it looks similar to the new K-Var model. There is a close-up of the "standardized" half-moon break, and it looks the same as the new K-var part (when it comes to the front/baffle construction area). Only difference being the length of the collar. So I suppose this would be an attempted copy of an AK-74 pre-production half-moon muzzle break. If you were building a 70s vintage AK-74 clone, you could put this MB in a lathe, shorten the collar, and bingo...
The sticky claims that "pre-production" AK-74s had a one-piece design and were of the half-moon pattern. Also, the pre-production models supposedly had a "long collar." There is no close-up picture of the pre-production model but there is a profile picture, and it looks similar to the new K-Var model. There is a close-up of the "standardized" half-moon break, and it looks the same as the new K-var part (when it comes to the front/baffle construction area). Only difference being the length of the collar. So I suppose this would be an attempted copy of an AK-74 pre-production half-moon muzzle break. If you were building a 70s vintage AK-74 clone, you could put this MB in a lathe, shorten the collar, and bingo...
I think the baffle sits further into the comp body and has more visible material in the 2 side cuts than anything I have seen, looks very much like the $40 Krebs.
IMO, The Krebs brake looks more like the Modern Izhmash Brake.Not to mention the cost difference. The new Arsenal is kind of inbetween the early and the late models? Thats what it looks like to me. Sort of a hybrid.. :lol:
Guys where can I get the Krebs brake for $40??
He has it on his website but is $65 now!?!
He has it on his website but is $65 now!?!
Im happy to see more quality US made parts on the market, but the price... :neutral:
Here you go http://www.rguns.net/011_3.htmllu2515 said:Guys where can I get the Krebs brake for $40??
He has it on his website but is $65 now!?!
I remember the polymer folders led to the folding series of guns from Arsenal - I wonder if this is a signal of something.WarBaby said:Im happy to see more quality US made parts on the market, but the price... :neutral:
I also remember that they usually have big sales on these new high-priced items shortly after they are introduced.
Spooky
Well the differances, and likeness of the Kvar brake and the early '74 brake may be coincedental, or not. There is one thing about it, the discription is a hundred dollar effort for sure. :wink:
I am glad to see new products out that widen the choices for compliance.
The mag followers were nice a few months ago, now these brakes.
The price wont be for everyone, but you know how that goes.
I am glad to see new products out that widen the choices for compliance.
The mag followers were nice a few months ago, now these brakes.
The price wont be for everyone, but you know how that goes.
I can't really see where they think the demand for it is going to come from. As far as compliance parts go, a receiver and a trigger group are given. You need two more and can choose from a follower, floor plate, pistol grip and gas piston. They're all much less expensive. Knowing this, I'd rather just use the "correct" brake that came with my kit.
+1WarBaby said:Im happy to see more quality US made parts on the market, but the price... :neutral:
It's no where close to the original and does not justify the price. If they took the time to make it look like the first pattern 74 I'd say maybe $50-60 tops. $100 for an inaccurate repro is total bs in my opinion. Hell with their shipping rates it will cost $120 in the end. KVAR and Arsenal really need to jump on the same page and sell as much as they can at a Fair markup while they can. I'd rather sell 100 units making 35% then 10 units making 100%.
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