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So instead of making it harder for us fine outstanding citizens with rights given to us once born. Why not make the penalty harsher. Like for instance anyone using or being caught with a gun in the possession for any of these crimes a minimum 30 years right off the bat. Crimes like armed robbers, drive by shootings, drug dealing and being caught with a gun, felons or domestic violence offenders caught with a weapon. With the addition of the other charges you committed with the weapon stacked on top of the 30


Get caught with a weapon and commit a crime, wham 30 years ( no parole). That would make people think twice about robbing the quickie mart for $150 in the till.

I do think its a good idea to do the nics check, just to try and cover our asses a little further to not let them fall into felons hands. But dammit let us free/legal citizens choose what we can and don't want to purchase.



This is not supposed to start a flame fest, just something ive been thinking about for awhile and wanted to see the reception if its a good idea or not.
 

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Rasper said:
This is not supposed to start a flame fest, just something ive been thinking about for awhile and wanted to see the reception if its a good idea or not.
You mean, actually prosecute criminals?

You and umpty million other folks all think the same thing.

You're preaching to the choir here.
 

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not hard enough, need to quit trying to rehabilitate these turds. you can't polish a turd and i'm pretty sure you can't rehabilitate one either. they could start by executing child molesters. punishment should be a deterent not a free ride. sorry call me a radical if you want.


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This is why transportation was always such a useful tool.

Won't abide by the law? Off to some jungle craphole or blasted wasteland.

Stealing and robbing? Good luck finding folks to rob among your own kind.

Plus, in a hundred years or so when they've hacked out their own country, you can go there on holiday and eat barbecued shrimp (yes Aussies, I mean you).
 

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"Gun Control" has nothing to do with crime control, it is merely the pretense.

If there were not a single "gun crime" committed in the country in a decade, the gun haters would still be hard at work trying to gut the Constitution.

The point to disarming the people in America is the same as it was in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and Cuba.

Violent criminals are the Left's best friends in achieving this end. Putting them in prison would be counter-productive to their ends.
 

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crime

I like the "chit"system. Jan 1 each year every citizen who has not been convicted of a felony gets 5 chits.

The LEO's find a body with a chit on his toe, it's a freebie. Now I'll have to admit there will be a lot of chits used the first couple of years but after that it should slow down a bit.

People would sure learn to be more courteous, be less likely to call someone a liar, or flip you off in traffic, or bust down your door or cheat some old couple out of their life savings.

Everyone would have to remember that his " chit recipient" might have a family member or friend with a chit.

Just rumbling thoughts from a very disturbed mind :rant:
 

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mstrsippy said:
I like the "chit"system. Jan 1 each year every citizen who has not been convicted of a felony gets 5 chits.

The LEO's find a body with a chit on his toe, it's a freebie. Now I'll have to admit there will be a lot of chits used the first couple of years but after that it should slow down a bit.

People would sure learn to be more courteous, be less likely to call someone a liar, or flip you off in traffic, or bust down your door or cheat some old couple out of their life savings.

Everyone would have to remember that his " chit recipient" might have a family member or friend with a chit.

Just rumbling thoughts from a very disturbed mind :rant:
the entire nation would be dead within a week
 

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mstrsippy said:
I like the "chit"system. Jan 1 each year every citizen who has not been convicted of a felony gets 5 chits.

The LEO's find a body with a chit on his toe, it's a freebie. Now I'll have to admit there will be a lot of chits used the first couple of years but after that it should slow down a bit.

People would sure learn to be more courteous, be less likely to call someone a liar, or flip you off in traffic, or bust down your door or cheat some old couple out of their life savings.

Everyone would have to remember that his " chit recipient" might have a family member or friend with a chit.

Just rumbling thoughts from a very disturbed mind :rant:
what you're proposing is basically a get-out-of-jail-free card for 5 murders a year. Do they expire?

What if you had to kill someone in self defense? Would you have to use your 'chit' then?

Now...I'm all for bringing back of the polite society... I just.. have some qualms about being able to whack someone for basically no reason. I'm already misunderstood.. I dont need some idiot plugging me in the back of the head while I'm working because they're a bigot.
 

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my idea for gun control is to make sure that good people have access to firearms.
having your face taken off by a load of 00 buckshot is a far better deterrent than any amount of time in prison could ever be.
 

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heimdal said:
mstrsippy said:
I like the "chit"system. Jan 1 each year every citizen who has not been convicted of a felony gets 5 chits.

The LEO's find a body with a chit on his toe, it's a freebie. Now I'll have to admit there will be a lot of chits used the first couple of years but after that it should slow down a bit.

People would sure learn to be more courteous, be less likely to call someone a liar, or flip you off in traffic, or bust down your door or cheat some old couple out of their life savings.

Everyone would have to remember that his " chit recipient" might have a family member or friend with a chit.

Just rumbling thoughts from a very disturbed mind :rant:
the entire nation would be dead within a week
:lol: :lol: This could be a good thing... hurry open the borders.
 

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The really sad thing is, is that the chit system ( meant as a joke) has about as much chance of working as any other crime deterrent idea out there. When the truth of the matter is that the powers that be don't want "crime control", they want "total control". They are using rampant crime statistics, whether false or true, to convince( scare) the sheeple into giving it to them. It is a fact that to control a population, first you have to disarm said population. I hate to say it, but man it's all part of the plan and there ain't a thing we can do to stop it. Oh, we might be able to slow it down a bit by voting carefully and keping an eye on what deals are being cut in Washington. But it's coming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
 

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The gun laws dont get enforced. They get plea bargined down. The criminals know this. The gun laws get enforced only on people who havent got anyone to rat out. I saw a study done some years ago on Dade and Broward counties in south FL. The gun charges were bargined down 98 per cent in Broward and 93 per cent in Dade. Janet Reno was running Dade at the time. Thats also the reason you dont get stolen guns back. Since the gun is not going to be used as evidence, they just destroy them.
 

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mstrsippy said:
The really sad thing is, is that the chit system ( meant as a joke) has about as much chance of working as any other crime deterrent idea out there. When the truth of the matter is that the powers that be don't want "crime control", they want "total control". They are using rampant crime statistics, whether false or true, to convince( scare) the sheeple into giving it to them. It is a fact that to control a population, first you have to disarm said population. I hate to say it, but man it's all part of the plan and there ain't a thing we can do to stop it. Oh, we might be able to slow it down a bit by voting carefully and keping an eye on what deals are being cut in Washington. But it's coming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
The answer to that is ....1776
 

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If the gun grabbers were really interested in reducing crime, they'd target your cash.

Think about it - how do you get a DUI if you can't buy drinks? Can't get a hooker without cash; can't buy drugs without cash. So let's ban cash, because let's face it, the money in your wallet is just a temptation for you to commit a felony. :twisted:

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You're getting close to true conservative/libertarian ideology there. No laws prevent anyone from anything. I'm not saying to have anarchy, but to punish individuals when they F up, and punishments should always fit the crime.

One of the problems we have today is that we are fixated with separating the instrument from the actor and the original post is kind of fixated on that as well with the "get caught with a weapon" part. Forget about the weapon, focus on the crime. As in, do this type of crime and do long, hard time, or get executed.

Eh, I'll rant when we get into this shit, and it's against the rules, so I'll refrain.
 

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You give someone thirty years and the taxpayers have to pay for it. I think that having a gun during a crime should add some serious time.
 

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The gun laws dont get enforced. They get plea bargined down. The criminals know this. The gun laws get enforced only on people who havent got anyone to rat out. I saw a study done some years ago on Dade and Broward counties in south FL. The gun charges were bargined down 98 per cent in Broward and 93 per cent in Dade. Janet Reno was running Dade at the time. Thats also the reason you dont get stolen guns back. Since the gun is not going to be used as evidence, they just destroy them.
I am from Dade County, and now I live in Broward. Its insanity here. About 10 years ago, the Broward Sheriff (who is now in federal prison) and Debbie Wasserman-Shutlz (who is now a State Representative! :shock: ) railroaded a bill through the county commission to ban any weapon capable of using a high capacity magazine. Under the guise that they were just helping the AWB / Crime Bill crap of the Klinton administration, they were effectively banning any gun that wasn't a revolver. Over 5,000 of us showed up at the hearing to voice our disapproval, and 25 people showed up in favor of it. Can you believe those people only allowed 25 people against the bill to speak, but all 25 people in favor spoke? The commission voted to ban the guns.

Thank god the State has a law that says 'these are all the gun laws. No city, county, or municipality can make any laws more (or less) restrictive' and the Broward law was axed.

And as for old Janet Reno? Ha! She tried (unsuccessfully) to prosecute a DEA Agent in Miami for years for what she thought was excessive force. Basically, the bad guys found out who the informant was and were taking him tied up in the back of a U-Haul truck to kill him. The Agent, who didn't have time to request backup, jumped on the side step and emptied his gun into the cab... which killed the two bad guys. When asked on the stand why he shot them 16 times, the agent's reply was "...I ran out of bullets." The jury box roared with laughter and Reno was red with anger and embarrassment. Needless to say, she never got her conviction.


Unfortunately, she did get revenge. He was forced to transfer to an office out of Florida to keep from being prosecuted for different charges by Reno's office (violation of the victims civil rights, etc). A few years later, Reno became the Attorney General. The AG is over Dept. of Justice. Which is also over DEA. That agent had to quickly retire before she could take her revenge (which, apparently was in the pipe).

Bah! This kind of stuff just gets me mad. :evil:
 

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You give someone thirty years and the taxpayers have to pay for it. I think that having a gun during a crime should add some serious time.
Im confused, half of it says that we have to pay for it so its a bad idea.. The other half says punish them harder. Im sure ti meant well, I dont like the fact that they get to sit and rot and get fed till they die on my dime. should turn the prisons back how they used to be, grow your own damn food!


If the gun grabbers were really interested in reducing crime, they'd target your cash.

Think about it - how do you get a DUI if you can't buy drinks? Can't get a hooker without cash; can't buy drugs without cash. So let's ban cash, because let's face it, the money in your wallet is just a temptation for you to commit a felony. Twisted Evil
der. Either way im sure you meant well.
I like that idea, but if your bar is anything like mine they take credit/debt :neutral:
 

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I can't believe what I'm hearing...WTF ???

BAN CASH ??? You must be joking ?? If you think there's too much control over your daily lives and gun purchases now, think how bad it would be when EVERY purchase you made could be closely scrutinized. You wouldn't be able to buy or sell anything without Uncle Sugar getting his cut !! Or how about a system that tags your debit/cc so you couldn't make certain purchases. Bankers sit drooling over crap like this, imagine the windfall profits from banking fees. Sounds a lot like socialism to me.

To keep the thread on topic, why the hell do we need ccw permits anyway ?? What's the first thing a LEO does when your questioned/stopped ?? That's right, he calls your ID in and checks your record. Wouldn't that tell right then and there if your a prohibited person or not ?? Why go through all the trouble to fingerprint etc.etc. when one call should do it all with out the hassle. And I wholeheartedly agree with turning prisons back into prisons and not Club Fed where there's cable TV, full gym, complete law library etc. Hell, for some criminals it's a step up from their normal lives to go to prison.

BTW; if there was some kind of computer error on your account, God help you, you'd stand a very real chance of losing your ass before it all got sorted out. Just my .02
 

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I can't believe what I'm hearing...WTF ???

BAN CASH ???
I believe it was meant as sarcasm, at least that's how I was referring to it.
Crazy world where living in here. And what was that where they were talking about converting to a NWO with only one currency?
 
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