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First 200 pages of the book were about training took me a few weeks. The second part of the book I read all at once, had me in tears. Awesome book. Loved it cant wait for the movie. Sad but extremely inspiring.




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I'll post here since the other thread got locked. I really enjoyed the movie and the theatre was definitely silent at the end. Very powerful movie and it reminds of the book Unbroken since they were both about overcoming insurmountable odds to survive. The one thing I was annoyed about is when the "patient" had a non-rebreather on that didn't have the reservoir bag filled! You are not delivering the optimum amount of oxygen to the patient. You might as well have a simple face mask on him if since you aren't delivering a high percentage of oxygen. It takes 2 seconds to fill the reservoir bag up! Grrr!!
 

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Having been interested in snakes my whole life, I found it a bit annoying that they not only talked about, but showed, a rattlesnake in Afghanistan. Great movie-for entertainment. I think maybe I should read the book for a more accurate depiction of events.
 

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I hated the book. Chapter after chapter of bragging about who and what the SEALs are. I've worked with them, possibly even the men in the movie/book. Found all the chest thumping rather nauseating. Ended up giving it away then thumbing through another to get to the mission itself.

Yeah, lots of differences between the movie and book. Guess it wouldn't have been as dramatic having him walk out of the village and climb on the chopper.

Speaking of choppers, anyone know why they had the Chinooks with Cav markings on them? The 160th is who flew the mission
 
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I hated the book. Chapter after chapter of bragging about who and what the SEALs are. I've worked with them, possibly even the men in the movie/book. Found all the chest thumping rather nauseating. Ended up giving it away then thumbing through another to get to the mission itself.
This.

My work partner and I attempted to prepare some SEALs for the Village Stability Operations mission, and never has a force been misused and misassigned as badly.

They are an amazing kinetic action force. But living and interacting with Afghans on a daily basis, mmmm, not so much.
 

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I mean the SEALs no disrespect. I've served with some that were best of the best of the best. Served with some that were a bunch of pretty boys more concerned about their hair than the mission at hand. The movie, possibly the book too but I don't remember, showed a man who didn't understand the culture in the nation he was fighting in. If that's typical of SEALs they really need to follow the lead of Special Forces. Hell, I'm nobody and I studied up on and educated my troops on the Pashtunwali. To this day, even in retirement, I make sure guys heading over know about it and what it could do for them.

If they had to show a snake they should have shown a cobra. Just before my first tour ended someone spotted one yards away from an area I used to scrounge for relics
 
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I mean the SEALs no disrespect. I've served with some that were best of the best of the best. Served with some that were a bunch of pretty boys more concerned about their hair than the mission at hand. The movie, possibly the book too but I don't remember, showed a man who didn't understand the culture in the nation he was fighting in. If that's typical of SEALs they really need to follow the lead of Special Forces. Hell, I'm nobody and I studied up on and educated my troops on the Pashtunwali. To this day, even in retirement, I make sure guys heading over know about it and what it could do for them.
On the obverse side of the coin, I was turned down for an Army SF contract for Takhar, Balkh and Badakhshan Province, because I lacked sufficient experience in Pashtunwaili as well as knowledge of Durrani Confederation vs. Ghilzai Pashtuns. Having lived in Takhar, Kunduz and Balkh, and traveled in Badakhshan, I will tell you there are just not that many Pashtuns there. Of course, when I brought up the Ibrahimi Brothers' organized crime network, they looked at me like Lassie.

Even Army SF doesn't know what they THINK they know about culture in their Operational Environment.

Again, no disrespect for capabilities, as they are incredibly capable, but sometimes their capabilities are more ego than reality driven.
 

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I found to movie typically Hollywood fantasy vs the reality in the book and Marcus interviews he provide. Mikey was shot something like 17 times and died crying out for Marcus for over an HOUR...far from the dramatic scene in the movie. As for Matt he had his whole forehead blown off, was totally blind but kept up the fight until I guess an RPG round killed him and blew Marcus down the hill. SEALS and SF teams are wonderful things and we should be glad the are out there doing what they do. The other side of me thinks a low yield tactical nuke would have been better than sending the seal recon team into that village.....You just have to ask yourself after reading the books how many times does the Whitehouse have to fuck up like this without getting with providing some sort of air support for ground personnel?

Yes yes the SEALS knew what they were getting into BUT as a tax payer I would prefer not to lose 33 SEALS who cost me and the rest of you well over $1 Million dollars each to train. That was a very expensive day in terms of cost of lives and cost to tax payers. We best not waste these SF guys unnecessarily OR any other member of the US Military for that matter. They are all expensive to train so sending them into a one sided fight is fucking stupidity at its best. Those in command that day could have loitered a C-130 over that village for more than the first 6-7 hours...and they should have. This was just like losing SEAL team 6 and the Black Hawk Down deal in 1993. You don't waste lives, you either provide air cover for ground personnel or you don't send them in. Just my two nickels...and yes the book had a lot of chest thumping but if you were Marcus you would have written it exactly that way...
 

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We continue making mistakes. My own unit would go out of its way to reenact past mistakes that killed large numbers of service members, destroyed equipment and compromised missions. We'd have to step in and remind them of such incidents, the factors that led to them and how we have the training, equipment and experience to prevent it all happening again. Some listen, some don't. Fortunately men at my level had enough pull to do it right. We had some guys get fucked up pretty bad but all are still functioning members of society with all their limbs intact.

To me, every leadership course in the military should issue every attendee a copy of Blackhawk Down
 

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Most definitely agree with all you said above. You should have seen the stupid shit they were doing over 20 years ago down in Central and South America to combat evil cocaine.. I saw more than my fare share of BS down there I guess. Made me skeptical of DC and politicians that love to play hard and fast with other peoples lives. There are plenty of Politicians in the Pentagon as we all know... I think America as well as DC need to have sufficient anger to put our collective foots on the necks of the enemy or not do it at all. This PC half hearted shit didn't work in Vietnam and wont work in Iraq or Afghanistan let alone Syria. You cant win a war with Mussies unless you show them just how deadly America can be. They don't understand hearts and minds campaigns and never will. They understand ONLY who has the biggest stick in the valley.

Plus for Afghanistan as long as we pussyfoot around with Pakistan we have no business fighting a campaign in Afganistan. As for the tactical nuke we should drop it on the offices of the Pakistani ISI. Then take out Pakistan's underground nuke bunkers in the same strike...as punishment for 911 and a lot of other shit. The ISI was never our friend and the CIA was fucking stupid to think otherwise.
 

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Aaaand the bigoted racist comes out to kill the thread....
Yep.
duckhunterflyfisher, your on some really thin ice right about now.
 

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During my time in the AF I got to do some pretty amazing stuff. Once I was deployed on a joint mission with Rangers, Para rescue, combat controllers, and some who don't talk about what they are. They were impressive men who I respected. During down time I got to teach them medic skills and they cooked me steaks. They called me Doc and let me sleep in the bed while they slept on concrete floors. I always think about a quiet conversation I had with one guy while he went through his gear check. I escorted some flag draped coffins home and had to stand there while a wife cried over her husband. I had a syringe of sedative in my pocket in case she couldn't handle it.

These are things I don't usually tell people and what I thought about while watching Lone Survivor.
 

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During my time in the AF I got to do some pretty amazing stuff. Once I was deployed on a joint mission with Rangers, Para rescue, combat controllers, and some who don't talk about what they are. They were impressive men who I respected. During down time I got to teach them medic skills and they cooked me steaks. They called me Doc and let me sleep in the bed while they slept on concrete floors. I always think about a quiet conversation I had with one guy while he went through his gear check. I escorted some flag draped coffins home and had to stand there while a wife cried over her husband. I had a syringe of sedative in my pocket in case she couldn't handle it.

These are things I don't usually tell people and what I thought about while watching Lone Survivor.
Honestly? I haven't seen it. I read the book and kind of wished I hadn't. I was irrationally angry for about a month afterwards.

I'm caring for a 17 year old Afghan girl right now as part of an obligation I incurred while I was there. Putting her through school and otherwise trying to keep making a difference.

I don't know if I can take watching the movie. I know my former work partner won't even talk about it with me.
 

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Honestly? I haven't seen it. I read the book and kind of wished I hadn't. I was irrationally angry for about a month afterwards.

I'm caring for a 17 year old Afghan girl right now as part of an obligation I incurred while I was there. Putting her through school and otherwise trying to keep making a difference.

I don't know if I can take watching the movie. I know my former work partner won't even talk about it with me.
Who were (or are you still?) irrationally mad at?

When I first separated I used to have fairly frequent flash backs of anger and resentment. They can still happen but not nearly as strong or frequent. Strangely it was most severe in my Trigonometry class, some times it took all my will to stay in my seat and not run out of the room. I think it has to do with stress.

Can you share how you incurred an obligation?
 

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Who were (or are you still?) irrationally mad at?

When I first separated I used to have fairly frequent flash backs of anger and resentment. They can still happen but not nearly as strong or frequent. Strangely it was most severe in my Trigonometry class, some times it took all my will to stay in my seat and not run out of the room. I think it has to do with stress.

Can you share how you incurred an obligation?
Honestly, I am most mad at "us" for failing to do what it takes to win this. And me, for being mad. It's complicated.

thin ice how so? because I speak the truths of history ...that those mussies in Afghanistan know how to fight to win. History says so and they don't do PC they do head chopping, sniping, dirty war shit like no one else does. the last concurring army was the Greeks under Alexander.
Well, I think you need to check yer history there, sport. Just sayin'....
 
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