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O.k., how many of you sillies said this would never happen?
 

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Doesn't it still have to be ratified by Congress?
Yes, in the Senate and has to be a two-thirds vote in favor. That will never happen.

There has been quite a few treaties the US has signed on to but never ratified.

Kerry signing it is just political posturing for the liberal base to show that "they tried" and give a talking point to vilify Republicans.
 

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Yes, in the Senate and has to be a two-thirds vote in favor. That will never happen.

There has been quite a few treaties the US has signed on to but never ratified.

Kerry signing it is just political posturing for the liberal base to show that "they tried" and give a talking point to vilify Republicans.


Yup. It isn't going anywhere but the trash can and everyone on all sides knows it...
 

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I read on another forum that once signed, this treaty can be ratified by ANY future congress.
 

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Specifically, it can be ratified by 2/3rds of any future Senate. Thus, Senate elections are now the most important elections for gun owners.
 

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Specifically, it can be ratified by 2/3rds of any future Senate. Thus, Senate elections are now the most important elections for gun owners.
On the same token, any subsequent President can remove endorsement of any signed treaty not ratified as Bush Jr. did with Kyoto Treaty. They key is not have any both the Senate and the President in unison when these types of treaties come about.
 

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I remember they said the same thing about Obamacare.
Agree, but Obama care had a lower majority hurdle to jump than a treaty does. Treaties, Presidential Impeachments and Constitutional Amendments have the high two-thirds Senate vote for a reason.
 

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Agree, but Obama care had a lower majority hurdle to jump than a treaty does. Treaties, Presidential Impeachments and Constitutional Amendments have the high two-thirds Senate vote for a reason.
So basically, once he signs it, it can be ratified at any time in our future by a 2/3rds majority in the Senate. That will happen in the next ten years.

I guess the only question is, how much longer are we going to kick the can down the road?

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So basically, once he signs it, it can be ratified at any time in our future by a 2/3rds majority in the Senate. That will happen in the next ten years.

I guess the only question is, how much longer are we going to kick the can down the road?

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Treaties are like legislation, they have to be formally submitted to Congress and passed within that years legislative session or resubmitted formally again next legislative year session. They just do not languish for years waiting on a receptive congress.
 

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I hope you're right Hootbro and we have nothing to worry about.

On a slightly related topic, you're new avatar is kind of creeping me out.
 

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It will never be ratified, and will likely get removed by the next President. You can't get members of congress to agree what color the sky is, so there is no way a majority will vote in favor of our own Constitution and Bill Of Rights to be subverted by a weak, do little organization like the UN.
 
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I hope you're right Hootbro and we have nothing to worry about.

On a slightly related topic, you're new avatar is kind of creeping me out.
I would not say we have nothing to worry about but to still be ever vigilant with such matters.

I do have to correct myself on the two-thirds comment. Article II, Section 2, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution states "provided two thirds of the Senators present concur". So it is not two-thirds of the total members, but two-thirds present when vote is taken.

As to my Avatar, just some passive-aggressive fun. :cool:
 

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Interesting to know if the recent re-import ban and this treaty are tied together to be compliant with rules of enforcement.
 

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This is what scares me.
2/3rds present.
Wait for opposition to go on vacation, vote and there we have it our revolutionary war!?
 

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This is what scares me.
2/3rds present.
Wait for opposition to go on vacation, vote and there we have it our revolutionary war!?
Doubtful at best.
 
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