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I had in my 62 yrs fired several AKs and owned ARs. Fired full auto ones also, but i always gravitated to the AR given personal choice.
That has changed. After owning my first AK, a wasr , Im sold on the AK platform.
After catching on to the iron sights which wasnt that hard and realizing one can mount any optic one wishes to one, i honestly wouldnt trade this thing for any AR 15 built.
Scoped I can shoot sub 1MOA groups with it at 100 yards. And and do it in rain , mud, aint cleaned it for a month , with ammo that costs less than half but hits harder.
AK is simple , tough , reliable, and will do anything I will ever ask of it. Granted a 300 yard shot where i live is almost impossible because of terrain. So ill never be asking it to hit anything at 500. Even though ive watched AKs make 600 yard hits on man size steel.

I can hunt anything that walks around here with it, defend my home and self with it, without having to fuss over it.

Never was crazy about prom queen type women. Gorgeous biker chick always was thing.
Guess that must carry over to my rifles. Lol
 

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Sub.,or even MOA with an AK and/or a WASR is very rare.
You must have gptten an exceptional one.
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Typical AK groups are is 3-4 MOA
Actually it surprized me a little also. Because that is what ive read also.
Granted im a decent shot, its off of bags front and rear. No wind the times i shot at 100.
Or maybe ive gotten lucky a few times .
But so far its held pretty much that size group .
 

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It is about the rifle and ammunition as much as the rifleman.
Accuracy expectations of an AK with milspec ammunition is well documented in Soviet and other military documents.

Some riles and rifleman can attain groups that are better than the expected performance of the rifle, the ammunition and the average rifleman.

That is exceptional., but possible.

The internet also has many claims of exceptional accuracy.
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It is about the rifle and ammunition as much as the rifleman.
Accuracy expectations of an AK with milspec ammunition is well documented in Soviet and other military documents.

Some riles and rifleman can attain groups that are better than the expected performance of the rifle, the ammunition and the average rifleman.

That is exceptional., but possible.

The internet also has many claims of exceptional accuracy.
;)
Best not to claim accuracy with any rifle on an internet forum because somebody will always take issue with your claim.
A rifleman that knows his tool can do amazing things even at distance.
Aks are great rifles we all agree with that and they can shoot very well.
I see what you mean lol.
 

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I like AK's. That's pretty obvious, since I'm here. However, if I had to make the choice, I would choose the AR-15 every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. (Specifically, FN or LMT) To each his own. They both have their good points, as well as their bad. No one tool is perfect for every situation.
 

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I had in my 62 yrs fired several AKs and owned ARs. Fired full auto ones also, but i always gravitated to the AR given personal choice.
That has changed. After owning my first AK, a wasr , Im sold on the AK platform.
After catching on to the iron sights which wasnt that hard and realizing one can mount any optic one wishes to one, i honestly wouldnt trade this thing for any AR 15 built.
Scoped I can shoot sub 1MOA groups with it at 100 yards. And and do it in rain , mud, aint cleaned it for a month , with ammo that costs less than half but hits harder.
AK is simple , tough , reliable, and will do anything I will ever ask of it. Granted a 300 yard shot where i live is almost impossible because of terrain. So ill never be asking it to hit anything at 500. Even though ive watched AKs make 600 yard hits on man size steel.

I can hunt anything that walks around here with it, defend my home and self with it, without having to fuss over it.

Never was crazy about prom queen type women. Gorgeous biker chick always was thing.
Guess that must carry over to my rifles. Lol
Welcome to the dark side!!
I was always an AR guy until about 4-5 years ago, I built my first AK on a polish parts kit and fell in love with the platform: to me it is the perfect battle rifle in almost every way. And much much better in cold climates than every Military rifle that I know of!!
 

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I always had respect for the AK’s place in the annals of small arms, but hadn’t had interest in owning one until recently. It’s just simpler to stick with what you know. Can’t really say what has pushed me into this direction (or this forum), other than the acknowledgment of the Kalashnikov reputation…and not so much a technical or performance perspective.

My foray into this will be via the latest Galil. That IWI.US has a public service discount and convenient direct order online, makes the decision fairly easy. Not 100% AK, but should be a good fit (and start) for my collection.
 

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I was familiar with the 7.62x39 rd due to a sks that i ownd several yrs. Killed a few deer with it. One out to 200 yrds with irons , which is about as long a shot distance one is likely to get on a deer where i live due to terrain.
So the lobbing trajectory of the rd wasnt new to me.
The 10 rd limit of the sks put me off though as it was the primary home farm defense etc rifle along with my late wife and my pistols we carried daily.

I didnt truck my AR around that much . The sks had that role. The ar 5.56 was relegated to specfically anti human defense as imo the 223 is a marginal deer round much less a bear defence rd.
The wasr will run plenty accurate for any range ill need it to do.
Its dirty, it runs
Its dry it runs
Recoil spring breaks it can atill be fired like a bolt action.
Gas system fails same thing it can be run.
Im pretty comfortable being able to take down anything that walks in my state with 30 rds of 7.62x39 fmj if i need too.

Ive never been a gun " collector" all my guns are working guns, hauled around, exposed to the elements carried daily, shot at least a few rds often. I keep the maintenance up on them but not fanatical about it.

The AK 47 just meets all my needs in a rifle without having to be babied.

Since i got my glasses i almost prefer the iron at 100 yrds etc to a scope. Though ill run the scope on it for the granddaughters to deer hunt with .
Really like the rifle alot. Other than maybe one day getting a bolt 243 again cant imagine needing another rifle
 

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I like and own both- neither can be called my "favorite", cuz that would depend on the situation and what use the rifle is being put to. I trust the AK more for durability and use in adverse weather, especially COLD and humidity. Can't recall an AK ever failing on me for any reason, while the AR has in cold icy weather. I can hit man/deer-size objects at 300 yards with the stock sights no sweat. The AR might shoot further and flatter and is easier to lug around outdoors, while the AK 7.62X39 is better for hunting deer-sized game. Also there is a huge aftermarket developed for the AR, same cannot be said for the AK, and the AR is more readily set up with the optics of your choice. Again tho, neither can be called my "favorite", I like and use them both.🙂
 

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i gravitated to the AK for many of the before mentioned reasons , not that i do not love the AR, i would almost say initially i was pushed toward it by the AR ,the AR crowd has always been snobby ,and everything about it cost more
 

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First time I shot an AR it took me a few minutes to learn where the mag & bolt release were, and get used to the rear charge handle. Had to watch a video on how to break it down for cleaning.
With the AK, I just picked it up and got started, simple & minimalistic. Same for breakdown & cleaning, no video needed.
Both are great platforms, just depends on what you want. I do prefer the 7.62x39 round although I also have ARs in 7.62x39 and a .223 Saiga.
 

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i gravitated to the AK for many of the before mentioned reasons , not that i do not love the AR, i would almost say initially i was pushed toward it by the AR ,the AR crowd has always been snobby ,and everything about it cost more
i gravitated to the AK for many of the before mentioned reasons , not that i do not love the AR, i would almost say initially i was pushed toward it by the AR ,the AR crowd has always been snobby ,and everything about it cost more
Clearly the prices have flipped on their axis cuz AK stuff is ridiculously priced now and I can still build an AR for 400 or 500 bucks. It's not a Daniel's Defense rifle but so what. I can buy a new barrel n 5 yrs and put it in about 20 minutes later and shoot it. I can get an AK kit for 5-2K depending on the origin of the weapon parts. I like em both. AK Ammo is still cheaper and will drop an elk within 100 yards...I know. My buddy killed one in Montana about 20 yrs back. Shot it in the eye. Actually it was with a $98.00 SKS he got from me. But I wish I had been into building aks 15 yrs ago. I would be sitting on a larger stack of kits than I currently am. I love the AK platform. first build was a 66 Polish. last one was an M70 fixed stock. They are all matching numbers except the 2 M70s I built. Damn near impossible to find M70 Kits with original trunnions still in the bag. those damn rpk builders :)
 
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