How come Romania uses PSL's but there isnt Romy 7.62x54r?

I would like to know too.

There isn't even a ROmanian listing on http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm

It could simply be that the Romanians have not decided to surplus their 7.62x54r.

WM

Pobably

WanderingMan said:

It could simply be that the Romanians have not decided to surplus their 7.62x54r.

WM

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IMHO you may be right. There is a GOOD chance they used the round the same as every soviet block country at the time. A friend of mines father is a Major in the Romanian Army, he actually pointed at a picture of a PSL and said he fired one of these with his father one day along with an AK.

Romanian x 54r

I thought about this the other day. Some of the Romy x 54r could be going or have went over to parts of Africa. Money talks in a post communist country.

Did the Romanians even produce it at all? Could have been like the East Germans and just relied on the Soviet or another WARSAW Pact country to provide this caliber.

Hootbro said:

Did the Romanians even produce it at all? Could have been like the East Germans and just relied on the Soviet or another WARSAW Pact country to provide this caliber.

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They did produce it. I have some Romanian 7.62x54mm in bundles back home. It is in the "collectible ammo" drawer, I will have to check the headstamps in a week when I go home.


The 7N1 that was previously imported came from Romania. They did make 7.62x54R, but it is of moderate quality. They rely (or did) on Russia for their "sniper" grade ammunition. I assume they were surplussing the 7N1 since it is outdated... 7N14 is the new (been in service for about 14-17 years) 7.62x54R "sniper" load employed by the Russians since the 90s so I assume Romania is upgrading too.

I remember seeing some Romanian made 7.62x54 that had been imported in a small quantity about 5 years ago. I have seen quite a bit of it in Afghanistan in use by Romanians.

That is an interesting observation about the PSL and Russian ammo which I had never heard before: The Romanian snipers I have talked to had said they only used their own ammo out of them. The excerpts I have looked at in romanian manuals on the PSL only mention their domestic ammunition.

But you just never know in the end, I would not put it past the Romanians to do something to that effect.

To be honest, knowing the cultural history, I wouldn't expect the Romanians to be that friendly either. But I heard repeatedly that it was from Romania on one of the other boards.

OK, I used the search feature. The below is a picture of my Romanian made 7.62x54mmR ammo, with headstamp; and also someone referencing that the 7N1 likely came from Romania. This was not the only time I had read it, but it is what I found in a quick 'N dirty search:

http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewto ... omania+7n1

Q-gunner2 said:

They did produce it. I have some Romanian 7.62x54mm in bundles back home. It is in the "collectible ammo" drawer, I will have to check the headstamps in a week when I go home.


The 7N1 that was previously imported came from Romania. They did make 7.62x54R, but it is of moderate quality. They rely (or did) on Russia for their "sniper" grade ammunition. I assume they were surplussing the 7N1 since it is outdated... 7N14 is the new (been in service for about 14-17 years) 7.62x54R "sniper" load employed by the Russians since the 90s so I assume Romania is upgrading too.

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Kool! learned something new.

In the last 20+ years of collecting and with plenty of Mosin's through my hands, I just never gave thought to Romanian 7.62x54R. Never seen it surplused or for sale.

You aren't alone. I found mine by total accident... but it seems to be recognizable by the fact that 80s production ammo has no other markings... just the last two letters of the date. Copper washed, red lacquer sealed.

My guess is, being that they still use the PKM rather extensively, they have no need to surplus their ammo.

To my knowledge the 7n1 that was imported last came from hungary. I could be wrong on that but, that's what importers and distributers that handled the products told me.

I saw some on Gunbroker the other day, just search for "Romanian".

Rag said:

I saw some on Gunbroker the other day, just search for "Romanian".

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Its Hotshot softpoint
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =105167045

Its probably because they are actually using it. Talked to the son the other day in Iraq and he was telling me about the Romanian detachment they have there. He and one of the Romanian snipers were discussing weapons and the Romanian was surprised the son knew about the 7N1 ammo. Son told him he not only knew about it but he had a case of it at home. Son was trying to talk the Romanian out of his SVD (And yes he knows the difference between the SVD and the PSL). Romanian made the comment our M-16's had toooooo much plastic! So much for that possible trade! :twisted:

One thing the Romanians do love is our PX there as they and the Ugandians are constantly buying it out to the bare shelves.