help on chin. SKS please!!!

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vz58kid

Discussion Starter · Jul 20, 2008

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went to a gunshow in dalton, ga.
waste of money and time, did buy the sks 15in. bay. for $5.00.
then went back to pawn-shop and bought the sks for $200. with tax and back-
ground check it was $228. got home and the bay, is about 3 1/2in. to long.
wish i could post pic. but dont know how yet! the numbers are all match. the finish is 99.9% the stock is orange-red bakelite, with upper hand-guard texturized,the sling is not a reg. leather tab one but has a coil-sping on each
end first time ever seen one of those!
here are the mark. on left side of rec. R then a triangle with (3?)a 40 or a D instead of the 0. then a S or 5 in 1/2the size of first 2. then 3 chin. characters
that is all thats in triangle.
then the ser. no. 2100406X then SKS 7.62X39 made in China then C KNOX. TN. the bay. cut-out on stock is 3 3/4 in. the length of entire rifle is 40 in. and the barrel if i meas. corr. from right where charg. handle is, is 20 1/2 in.
almost forgot the detach. mag. is chin. and is a 40 rounder, i think it is a duck-bill but dont know for sure!
so is this a para? and what length bay. do i need? spike or blade? i can find a shorter spike bay. at show tom. but is a 100 mile round trip and have to pay $8.00 admission again, so i dont know,unless these shorter ones are super rare
maybe i can find one in Knox. show in 2 weeks? i really dont know anything about the sks do have a 59/66 but never fired it! thank you for any and all responses! SKS NEWBIE!

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mndale

· #2 · Jul 20, 2008

YooperJ has a lot of info on his site, maybe that will help.

www.yooperj.com

vz58kid

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 20, 2008

thanks that forum helped a lot! found pic. of chin. it is either a 64 (blade) or 66(spike) early or late jungle stock,
they look just like mine except the mag! mine has no yr. stamp anywhere?
but i had thought it was an early version. thanks again!
now what size and type bay. do i need? is the 40 round mag. original!

mndale

· #4 · Jul 20, 2008

Not sure what you have, (paratrooper, or regular) if it is a paratrooper you could cut the bayonet down to size and grind the ends to look like the ends do now. The chinese had no dates stamped, but there was a way to date them by the serial # if they are a triangle 26, saw it one one of the SKS sites. Do a dogpile search and type in what you are looking for.

If you have a duckbill mag it is not original.

wgallc

· #5 · Jul 20, 2008

Sounds like you may have a Yugo 59/66 blade bayonet, which is longer than a Chinese or Russian (which is what you are looking for).

A Chinese or Russian blade bayonet will have a ring that is attached to the spring loaded sleeve.

A Yugo 59/66 blade bayonet has a hook or upside down "L" on the spring loaded sleeve. early Yugo model 59 blades are identical to all other blades.

vz58kid

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jul 20, 2008

the bay. i got is a 15 in. spike chinese. i am convinced due to seeing pic. that i have either a 1964 early jungle stock (blade) OR 1966 late jungle stock (spike) they look 100% like mine except for mag. i think it is the 64 which takes short blade, since there is also a v-shape notch in metal hanguard cap and the groove is to narrow to take any spike bay. so i hope that i can find 1 at next show, at the one today all thay had was long or short spikers, i hope to learnin a few weeks and will post pic. this sks is in exc.+ shape.
i dont know and so far no one knows for sure if the 40 mag was original or not! thank you all!

wgallc

· #7 · Jul 20, 2008

Ok, my mistake, you need a "paratrooper" length spike.

They're out there, I bought a bunch of para spikes in Atlanta recently, the guy had more to sell. They do sell for more $ because they are more unusual. $10.00 to $15.00 for a para compared to $3.00 to $8.00 for a full size spike.

You can cut yours down, the only difference will be that a "cut-down" would not be fully chrome plated (at the tip), as the factory paratrooper spikes & blades were.

vz58kid

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jul 20, 2008

i just measured the width of the opening it is exactly 1/4 wide ,and i really think i need a blade one since even the tip of spike will not fit into the groove. as well as the fact that is has a V-notch in the metel hand-guard cap!
i also measured the width of opening on my yugo blade sks it also is exactly 1/4 wide but the yugo bay. is way to long! thanks :hail:

Lollygagger

· #9 · Jul 20, 2008

You have one of the synthetic "jungle" stocks that was made for the BLADE bayonet...

They exist for the spike as well.

The narrow groove in the stock is the give-a-way.

Of course, this assumes you have a STANDARD length SKS...not a carbine. Otherwise, the bayonet (either) would be too long.

LG :neutral:

Lollygagger

· #10 · Jul 20, 2008

BTW, the "textured" handguard is a little wrong for the set-up, but no real biggie.

I suspect your gun is a late production one that was with the so-called "pin" barrel action (rather than the screw-in short & long "colar" actions)...they came with that handguard.

There is a synthetic handguard that matched the jungle stock -the handguards are hard to replace, so alot of folks avoid doing so.

And, if it has a DETACHABLE hi-cap mag -it isn't chinese. It is american aftermarket. The chinese did not make any such magazine beast.
This also means that you do not have the ORIGINAL magazine that should have had matching serial numbers to the gun (alot of people change these out and lose the original in the process).

All this means...

There is nothing probably "rare or unusual" here (all SKS newbies seem to hope otherwise) -but, it should be fine for what it is: a "shooter".

Enjoy.

LG :neutral:

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BlenderWizard

· #11 · Jul 20, 2008

wgallc said:
Ok, my mistake, you need a "paratrooper" length spike.

They're out there, I bought a bunch of para spikes in Atlanta recently, the guy had more to sell. They do sell for more $ because they are more unusual. $10.00 to $15.00 for a para compared to $3.00 to $8.00 for a full size spike.

You can cut yours down, the only difference will be that a "cut-down" would not be fully chrome plated (at the tip), as the factory paratrooper spikes & blades were.

Actually, there is no "factory" paratrooper SKS; they were all cut down versions of the standard, as were their bayos.

So, cutting a bayo off would be correct.

vz58kid

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jul 21, 2008

hello, and thanks again to all! after about 9 hrs. on net since last night, i am sure what i have is the early 1964 jungle stock, which takes the 12 1/4 in. blade bay. hope i can find one at big show in 2 weeks. usually only see spiked ones and seldom those! my rifle hand guard matches the color of my stock and the hand-guard on mine has texturized fac. finish to keep it from slipping! it is a regular and not para. which i always thought. what mainly convinced me thet it took a bay.blade is the V-cut on metal hand-guard and the 1/4 width of groove. also found out the chin. symbols only mean type 56. the letters in the triangle are 405 the last digit (5) could be an S, but dont think it is a 6. i did find out there was a fact. 406 but not a fac. 405? somebody said that since my top guard was tex. was not the original that came with stock?? also heard and read diff. stories
on detach. mags. besides the hi-cap. AK type they also made detach. duck-bills? and the one with gun the housing etc. is the same as on my chin. AK mags. so i guess i never willknow for sure if it is original! also found out chin. sks are very hard to figure out yr. wish i knew when mine was made! Thanks Again!
PS. found a chart and if its correct my gun was made in 1977!

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vz58kid

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jul 22, 2008

i am very happy with what i got, in my area Ga.&Tn. i have never seen an sks
for less than $225. at this point in time. but i am also paying $4. for a gallon of gas, where last yr. it was a little over $2.
i have learned a lot about the sks but have a long way to go!
here is what i learned after spending a hell of a lot of time doing research!
mine is factory 0405 which is unknown on all charts and posts, did find 2 people who also have that code but no info! also it is a a very early model
64-66 was when blade bay. was used! there were 4-5 types of bakelite stocks.
my upper h-guard is matching texturized but no ribs! there were complete rifles with jungle-stocks imported! very few though. the gun is in exc.cond. all nos.
match everywhere,took it apart. the wire springs. on sling replaced the leather tabs.
the gun is all milled with threaded barrel, i also found out that china sports as well as norinco did make detach. 20 round mags the one that works the best is the nor. with the star!
i looked at distr. for a blade bay. and the 20 round star nor. no luck!
there will be a large gun show aug. 9th so hopefully i will find a bay.
thanks gain to everybody!

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Lollygagger

· #14 · Jul 23, 2008

vz58kid said:
i also found out that china sports as well as norinco did make detach. 20 round mags the one that works the best is the nor. with the star!

Not quite correct...they are NOT detachable. They are a FIXED box mag.

Like so...

(I did the red outline on the star)

LG :neutral:

P.S -FWIW, the stock does not appear to be a "bakelite" material, but more like the the material used in the "red" synthetic stocked Norinco AK's furniture and in the chinese synthetic AK mags -phenolic material, I understand.

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vz58kid

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jul 23, 2008

my fault, that is what i meant! i cant find one or a blade bay. or even
any info. on my fact. Code 0405. so far every distr. has none of those mags or the bl. bay. and i would hate to spent a fort. on GB. for either.
the weird thing on my 40 round mag is that it is stamped made in china!
i had read that they did make 20 rounders, but so far i cant find out anything about the 0405 code!
i have read and checked out all forums on the sks and one thing i find is really funny, have come onto several questions about the jungle stock
asking if it is rare?
the answer always is along the lines of yes some were imported in that configuration, but it really is not rare enough to add much to value. but most of those stocks were imp. in 80+90 to replace busted wooden stocks! thanks for the info!

Lollygagger

· #16 · Jul 23, 2008

The stocks were around $15 when first imported. Ages ago, in a shop, I pulled a few off some guns and replaced them with wood because people wanted the wood (the SOFT, easily dinged chinese wood).

They were popular for painted camo jobs. Alot of folks didn't like the fact that the bare stocks tended to oil soak -evidently doing so on the ends of some glass cloth in them.

LG :neutral:

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