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As a collector of the Chinese AK variants, I would love to see the right to keep and bear arms truly be not infringed. I personally do not think it would affect the price or value of the older rifles as the new ones would most likely be priced in about the same levels. Old ones would retain value because they are just that, old and original.
 

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I personally think we will never see imports from China again......I think the import restrictions will get worse in general before getting better.
 

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As an aside when were the Sile/Polytech's in the import time frame? I have a'85' prefix Sile/Poly. Not that it matters much as I'm not really a Chinese AK collector. But always interested in the AK history/lore.
 

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I could care less what any "collector" has in whatever pre-ban and the market tanking. It is a petty reason and argument to keep the ban just for the sake of a 1% and their collector values.

Same argument comes from guys with pre 1986 full auto stuff and never wanting a repeal because of the value would go down.
I would love to see it all repealed fo' shizzle. New production stuff is exciting, like the Galil ACE which should come out sometime.....?

 

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I know this is an old thread but here is some more info on the clayco rifles that were imported from china. Accoutring to the importer from clay center ks, They imported 7 prototypes. They were marked prototype 001 to 007. I own 001. Know where no 7 was as well held #4. the came with a red or dark orange stock that was painted black. 001 is in rough condition and I have hunted with it for years. There are no markings such as alterations to this firearm are safe and illegal. As far as the green stocks. I have a underfolder in sn range of 200-220. they are black but have a greenish ting to them. Clayco also imported at the same time shotguns and 22's.
 

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I know this is an old thread but here is some more info on the clayco rifles that were imported from china. Accoutring to the importer from clay center ks, They imported 7 prototypes. They were marked prototype 001 to 007. I own 001. Know where no 7 was as well held #4. the came with a red or dark orange stock that was painted black. 001 is in rough condition and I have hunted with it for years. There are no markings such as alterations to this firearm are safe and illegal. As far as the green stocks. I have a underfolder in sn range of 200-220. they are black but have a greenish ting to them. Clayco also imported at the same time shotguns and 22's.

Wait.....What ? where u get that info from? I've got a binder full of letters from the owners stating what exactiy what was brought in.
Never heard of anything remotely close to what your saying. Please post a picture of your number ones markings.
 

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I know this is an old thread but here is some more info on the clayco rifles that were imported from china. Accoutring to the importer from clay center ks, They imported 7 prototypes. They were marked prototype 001 to 007. I own 001. Know where no 7 was as well held #4. the came with a red or dark orange stock that was painted black. 001 is in rough condition and I have hunted with it for years. There are no markings such as alterations to this firearm are safe and illegal. As far as the green stocks. I have a underfolder in sn range of 200-220. they are black but have a greenish ting to them. Clayco also imported at the same time shotguns and 22's.
I have seen 1000001 (red bakelite furniture), and 1000005 (black bakelite furniture)!!! :D
Two questions: ;)

1. Were the "prototypes" actually sales samples?
2. Do all of the "prototypes" lack the "alterations language"?

Tony
 

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There are three of them in a will that will go to me along with about 20 other aks. Also a GSAD Bm 59 and 62 . two of the aks are spiked rifles and the other I am pretty sure is a side folder with dookie brown furniture. Its been 3 or 4 years since I have seen them.
I have been researching the various internet sources and it seems the GSADs preceded the Norinco and Polytech CHICOM rifles...

Are they the first?

KF

(Special thanks to "Postban" who did the research back in 2009!!)
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http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_santafe.html

Golden State Arms Distributors, Inc. (GSAD)


Golden State Arms Distributors, Inc. (GSAD) was incorporated in California in July 1984. This business was another surplus arms importer, with a retail store located at 1097 Aviation Blvd. in Hermosa Beach, CA (N/W corner of Prospect at Aviation). They utilized a warehouse at 630 Mary Ann Drive in Redondo Beach, CA. The importer marking on a number of their surplus imports indicated GSAD MANH. BEA., CA, presumably for Manhattan Beach, CA.

This company and it's owner were not affiliated with Golden State Arms of Pasadena, CA or any of their affiliated company names.

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http://www.chicom47.com/Importers/ImportCompanies.htm

G.S.A.D:
Golden State Arms Distribution located in California. They had many locations including Redondo Beach, Manhattan Beach, Pasadena, and Santa Fe, CA. These guns are the most mysterious as they arrived in America about the same time as the Clayco guns, except they had less manufacturing markings. They simply state 7.62x39mm “Made in China” GSAD, in a usually faint roll stamping, that’s it…no factory codes and no exporter markings. Many argue these got here before the Claycos, thus the reason for the additional markings on the Claycos. The majority of these rifles were bought up by companies in Hollywood to be used in the production of movies and have come to be referred to as “movie guns.” In the late 1980s, production of movies showcasing the Vietnam War had tapered off and the movie guns were sold by the hundreds by the movie houses to distributors nationwide. GSAD however, had been in the firearms importation business for many years prior. Their claim to fame was being an importer of Enfield type rifles. They also imported weapons under the name Globco as early as 1957. GSAD is also to have been rumored as the source of firearms for the Bay of Pigs invasion, as well a clandestine asset of the Central Intelligence Agency. GSAD is known to have imported rifles in the 053xx range, as well as atleast serial #'s 0787x through 09xxx, in both fixed stock and underfolding configurations. "Double-underfold" models with folding spike bayonets and underfolding stocks have also been reported. GSAD imports are usually marked over the trigger guard on the left side of the receiver:

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Erik of GSAD:

"I imported thousands of these in the 1980's through my company, GSAD Inc. of Manhattan Beach, Ca. I kept this gun, serial number 0003 for my personal collection. Due to California law, it will ship from Oregon (where it is stored). The gun is as new, but has been fired. These are top quality AK's with and are considered among the best pre-ban Chinese AK-47 rifles.

The serious AK collector will never be able to surpass this as the center piece of an AK collection."

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From the California State Government records:
GOLDEN STATE ARMS DISTRIBUTORS, INC. Number: C1253492 Date Filed: 7/27/1984 Status: suspended Jurisdiction: California Address * 1097 AVIATION BLVD.HERMOSA BEACH, CA 90254 Agent for Service of Process ERIK J. BERRY 630 MARY ANN DRIVE REDONDO BEACH, CA 90278 =================================================================

Original researcher contacted Erik Berry:

Hi Dave

In 1984 I formed GSAD (Golden State Arms Distributors, Inc) We ripped off the name from the original Golden State Arms the was in business in Pasadena, Ca. in the 50's and 60's.

Our address in Manhattan Beach was 205 South Kuhn Street, which was the back door of my retail outlet, Beach Cities Armoury. I was a distributor of all the major firearms manufacturers. I imported surplus military guns and also newly manufactured AK rifles from China. We brought in one 40' container per month, each container held 3900 rifles. I was also an importer and seller of machine guns for law enforcement agencies. We exported guns as well. I had several retail stores, South Bay Armoury in Carson, California, Cerritos Armoury in Artesia California, and Fremont Discount Guns in Fremont, Ca.

The AK rifles we imported were made by "Jing-An". Jing-An was the manufacturing arm of the Chinese Police/secret police agencies, as opposed to Norinco who was affiliated with the army. As I recall, in the begining, we imported the Norinco product as well. There was only myself in LA, Ed Faust at Pacific International in Sacramento (Inter-American Import-Export and Armex were his other names)and someone in New York (Jovino?) importing those guns in the begining.

I have some of my old files of import licenses, advertising and mailing materials, etc. I would be delighted to scan some of that and share it with you if you'd like.

Feel free to ask any question you like and if my memory has an answer I'll share it with you happily.

Warm regards,

Erik

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Original researcher's response to Erik with Erik's replies in
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Hi Erik,

Thanks for the quick reply and information. Wow, 3900 per month!
Not sure how many months in a row we did that, or maybe it was bi-monthly. There were a ton of those things sold, most (96%? are probably never re sold) They are so rare to find on the market today.
Now was that 3900 GSAD
GSAD only marked guns or did it include other importer/reseller marks like Clayco or Sile?

Any pics of containers or stacks of guns or the stores would be very much appreciated by myself and other AK fans.
Old Sale papers or ads, manuals also.
Did you bring in spare parts or only whole guns?
Guns only
Can you determine import date or who the guns were sold to retail by tracking the serial number?Sent all records to BATF archives in 1992

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What is this thread all about , it's making my head hurt..... to clarify , as far as I know clayco was the first legal importer of Chinese AK's and I own the ATF import sample serial number 1. Now please someone explain or post a pic of any claycos marked prototype .....I just do not see the Chinese marking them prototype and sending them here. Also who is saying there are other Chinese importers before Clayco ??
 

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1. Not that I am aware of the 7 prototypes were to be tested when they were received from China to clear ATF standards. They were sold by the importer. prototype 001 was the last one the importer at Clay center ks, and I bought it from him for a mere $275 in the late 80's at a show.

2. I am not sure but this one does not. The sn# of all prototypes were crudely stamped as well as the factory markings on the trunion.
 

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Several years ago there was an add in the shotgun news with a person who had #1 for sale..he contacted me as he knew I had prototype 0001 as in the old days it seemed without the internet, people knew people. I told him the same information. I have lost contact with the importer , but I have a dear friend who bought his dads gun collection, and will try and get all the proper information. Not 100% positive but the way the importer told me when they got their foot in the door one of the presidents went to China to start commerce, he had some type of "in" and went there. They imported those cheap 22 rifles and shotguns and think the target pistol and of course the AK's. Somewhere I have an old crate marked for the ammo from clayco as well. I dont think it can be proven ether way without getting import dated paperwork or something from the ATF on which AK importer was first. But, I would bet the 7 prototypes were marked that way to clear customs as well as ATF import regulations. Hence the "alterations to this firearm are unsafe and illegal". Meaning Clayco was the first importer..just makes sense. does your #1 have these markings?
 

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Can you post pics of any of these prototypes? My #1 has several pics here on the site. Just search and you will find thread.
Ive got letters from the owners on Clayco sports stationary explaining the whole entire story of how Clayco was the first to bring in legal semi auto Chinese AK's. No mention of prototyped marked guns. Do these prototype guns actually have CLAYCO stamped on them ? Not talking handscribed by a trophy store. Some here may remember the fakes being passed off few years back. Please post pics
 

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First off the GSAD imported rifles are NOT the holy grail AK or even Chinese AK for that matter and yes Clayco imports received the very first shipment of Chinese exported rifles and that was of course exported through Norinco.
 

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Wow, Joey Z's angst over not having the first Chinese AK in the country will pale in comparison to the fur that will fly if the Hughes A. gets repealed. Big if but what a sight it would be. LOL
 

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Postrock is about as straight of shooter as they come. I have a customer who's older brother worked at Clayco in the 80's. It was in a basement in a very small town, Clay Center KS. Postrock and I are native Kansans.. where AK's got there importing start...


Postrock has some serious stuff in his collection, and he's my first stop at any show or when I travel to western KS I try to swing through his place or his son's. We need to get together and drink some beer / crown..lol!
 

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Wow, Joey Z's angst over not having the first Chinese AK in the country will pale in comparison to the fur that will fly if the Hughes A. gets repealed. Big if but what a sight it would be. LOL

I have no no idea what you wrote here except saying I am in " angst ". Not true, I am always up for learning more about these great rifles and their History. I would just like to see pictures rather then stories of who remembers what from who ....
 
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