First Time AK Owner in the Making, 86 Polish AKMS-47 kit on Spud NDS-1P

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Artyldr01

Discussion Starter · Jan 13, 2018 (Edited)

PICS ADDED! First Time AK Owner in the Making, 86 Polish AKMS-47 kit on Spud NDS-1P

Good Evening!<br>
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I took the plunge and put my deposit on an my first AK which is in the process of being built. I normally do TONS of research before hand, and I did a fair bit, but I still have a LOT to learn. WW1/WW2 MILSURPS are my forte but I wanted an example of "my enemy's" weapon. I have a thing for Polish weapons from WW2 so I stuck with a Polish AK. It is a 1986 matching kit with new Polish barrel, Nodak Spud NDS-1P. It doesn't have the selector markings unfortunately but I'm sure it can't be too hard to have a correct stamped "C" and "P" added. I am going with the "battlefield pickup" look. The parts kit is in really good shape.<br>
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So, from the experts, it is a bit after the fact, but what things do I need to ask about or be sure of before I take final possession? The gunsmith has a great reputation, Coastal Gunworks, Virginia Beach, VA and is a small family run shop and I like supporting the local economy. <br>
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I am paying $850 OTD with one magazine, cleaning kit, oiler, sling. Again, any input, photos, suggestions or warnings are appreciated and I will certainly share pics when she is done!<br>
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Thank you in advance!

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22many

· #2 · Jan 13, 2018

Polish AKs are good quality AKs. They are one of the only AKs that you can build from a parts kit with all polish parts. Polish barrel, polish kit, and polish receiver. Hell, they even have polish rivets here stateside. Realistically if built right, you can have a great example of the "enemy's weapon".

It really depends on how authentic you want the rifle to be. A nodak receiver with no C/P markings and I imagine a generic finish isn't correct at all. While it's fine for some, it's not for others. Just depends on what you want but $850 for a built rifle with a polish barrel and extras isn't too bad.

If the kit is in good shape then I would forgo the BFPU look. Intentionally aging parts has been done in the past but usually on a kit or rifle that has seen hard service when most of the finish is gone.

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Vlado

· #3 · Jan 13, 2018 (Edited)

Welcome!

To echo what Many mentioned, the Nodak Spud receiver wont be correct at all for a good Polish clone. What you need to do is order a Childers Polish receiver for your Polish kit. These are practically 100% identical to a real full auto Polish AKM. Once you get more into the AK hobby, you will realize that you were glad to have gone with a Childers receiver.

Not to knock your gunsmiths workmanship, which I bet is great, but you should really have an AK-specific gunsmith build your rifle the correct way. Bloss Industries (member BR7.62 here on the forum) is one of the finest AK builders in the nation and works on the rarest parts kits at very reasonable prices. He will finish your rifle with the correct paint finish as well.

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Vlado

· #4 · Jan 13, 2018

Here is the link to the exceptional Childers receivers. Very easy, buy away:

AK 47 Receiver (Polish Stamping)

P.S. Don't hesitate to ask for help on ordering the correct receiver w/ the notches, markings, etc. There are many experts here who will be glad to help.

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ZX672

· #5 · Jan 13, 2018

Childers is really the way to go for Polish builds. Have a AKM and Tantal built on Childers receivers and both came out great. If you decide to keep the Nodak, weaponmark stencils work well for the home builder. If all of this is overwhelming, send it to br7.62 and have piece of mind that it will be built right...

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boatma1

· #6 · Jan 13, 2018

+1 vote for Childers as well. You won't regret it if you have to spend a little extra and make the build wait an extra month. Nodak receivers get the job done, but the cosmetic details are not even close to correct.

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JoeMomma

· #7 · Jan 13, 2018

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This is my example built from a Polish kit with a Childers receiver, and Polish barrel. TwoRivers built this one.

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22many

· #8 · Jan 13, 2018

Realistically when you think about it, with factory polish receivers here already, there’s really no reason to build on anything else.

OP, you should heed these members advice. Br7.62 is a great builder.

Artyldr01

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jan 14, 2018

22many said:
Realistically when you think about it, with factory polish receivers here already, there’s really no reason to build on anything else.

OP, you should heed these members advice. Br7.62 is a great builder.

Definitely appreciate the input. I put my gunsmith on hold. I'll be seeing him Monday. I really appreciate it very much!

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Artyldr01

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jan 14, 2018

Vlado said:
Welcome!

To echo what Many mentioned, the Nodak Spud receiver wont be correct at all for a good Polish clone. What you need to do is order a Childers Polish receiver for your Polish kit. These are practically 100% identical to a real full auto Polish AKM. Once you get more into the AK hobby, you will realize that you were glad to have gone with a Childers receiver.

Not to knock your gunsmiths workmanship, which I bet is great, but you should really have an AK-specific gunsmith build your rifle the correct way. Bloss Industries (member BR7.62 here on the forum) is one of the finest AK builders in the nation and works on the rarest parts kits at very reasonable prices. He will finish your rifle with the correct paint finish as well.

I appreciate it. I'm going to reach out now. I did put money down but if I can't get exactly what I hope for, he has a nice Type 99 Arisaka I could get instead and then contact Bloss. I'm confident my guy is capable and willing but definitely should have done my due diligence first.

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Artyldr01

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 14, 2018

Artyldr01 said:
I appreciate it. I'm going to reach out now. I did put money down but if I can't get exactly what I hope for, he has a nice Type 99 Arisaka I could get instead and then contact Bloss. I'm confident my guy is capable and willing but definitely should have done my due diligence first.

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At a minimum I'm going to get a Childers or possibly original Polish receiver instead. He has been absolutely candid and cooperative to whatever I would like and has given advice, I just wasn't as detailed as I should have been in my requirements.

When I look at Childers page there are many options. I understand most but the "trigger humps" lost me. What is "correct?" Then trunion river holes, reinforcement plate, 3 spot welds...it is dizzying! What I told him is "I want an all matching, all Polish AKMS47 underfolder." I didn't realize the complexities of JUST the receiver!

The parts kit looked good. It had wear but didn't looked worn out. What questions or concerns do I need to look for?

He has a Tapco trigger, I presume I can get a Polish trigger.

I will keep you apprised and I appreciate the support for an ignorant newbie. I'm out of my element. Frankly I can talk all day long about Enfields, Mosins, Mausers, M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, Hi Powers, P.35 (p) Vis and other original weapons but having to "create" my AK is an interesting endeavor.

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Vlado

· #12 · Jan 14, 2018

Great to hear you are deciding to go with a Childers receiver! Just to clarify, the Childers receivers are flats from Poland that Childers bends into shape and adds the spot welds/rails. These are the same receiver flats that would be turned into a real, factory made Circle 11 Polish AKMS.

On the link I sent you, you will want the following options:

Selector Markings: Polish- C P

Stock Cut Options: Polish AKMS Underfolder

Selector Notches: Straight Style

Trigger Humps: No trigger humps

Other Options: Reinforcement Plate (all other options not needed).

There you go. Get in contact with Bloss Indus. (BR7.62) and have the receiver and parts kit shipped to him. You will have an amazing rifle when completed.

You have a solid parts kit. Unless there are any blatantly damaged or broken components, it will be good to go. Great choice using a Polish barrel. Tapco trigger is appropriate for the build and necessary for 922r compliance.

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JoeMomma

· #13 · Jan 14, 2018

Vlado nailed it. Good luck with your build!

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22many

· #14 · Jan 14, 2018

What Vlado said. He pretty much nailed it.

I think BR7.62 is one of the only builders that uses polish rivets.

Dam! Now I'm thinking of buying a polish kit!

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Artyldr01

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jan 14, 2018

Vlado said:
Great to hear you are deciding to go with a Childers receiver! Just to clarify, the Childers receivers are flats from Poland that Childers bends into shape and adds the spot welds/rails. These are the same receiver flats that would be turned into a real, factory made Circle 11 Polish AKMS.

On the link I sent you, you will want the following options:

Selector Markings: Polish- C P

Stock Cut Options: Polish AKMS Underfolder

Selector Notches: Straight Style

Trigger Humps: No trigger humps

Other Options: Reinforcement Plate (all other options not needed).

There you go. Get in contact with Bloss Indus. (BR7.62) and have the receiver and parts kit shipped to him. You will have an amazing rifle when completed.

You have a solid parts kit. Unless there are any blatantly damaged or broken components, it will be good to go. Great choice using a Polish barrel. Tapco trigger is appropriate for the build and necessary for 922r compliance.

I've been chatting with Bloss as we speak. I truly appreciate the help!

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Artyldr01

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 14, 2018

JoeMomma said:
This is my example built from a Polish kit with a Childers receiver, and Polish barrel. TwoRivers built this one.
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Gorgeous! Thanks for sharing.

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JeepFan

· #17 · Jan 14, 2018

I know for some time there was Polish AKM blanks available although they were not heat treated, I picked up a few. That may be an option if you wanted to go all out on a full Polish build.

You can't spend any time over here on the forum and not see one or more of Br7.62's excellent builds, definitely a top notch builder.

Please post up some pics and details on the Type-99 if you get it (hopefully bubba has not worked his magic on it). When I stray from AKs it almost always is some form of surplus military rifle. Lately by coincidence I've been working on some hand loads for my T-99 and T-38.

Artyldr01

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jan 14, 2018

JeepFan said:
I know for some time there was Polish AKM blanks available although they were not heat treated, I picked up a few. That may be an option if you wanted to go all out on a full Polish build.

You can't spend any time over here on the forum and not see one or more of Br7.62's excellent builds, definitely a top notch builder.

Please post up some pics and details on the Type-99 if you get it (hopefully bubba has not worked his magic on it). When I stray from AKs it almost always is some form of surplus military rifle. Lately by coincidence I've been working on some hand loads for my T-99 and T-38.

Here is the Type 99. Some think it has been sanded, I don't think so, but I've been burned by a molested stock before. It is a nice Series 22 Kokura, early 1943 I think. I didn't get it, yet, but it sure is tempting! You are the opposite of me. I am a milsurp guy first and modern gun guy second.

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JeepFan

· #19 · Jan 15, 2018

I can see why your tempted on the T-99, if the price was fair I'd be tempted too. Some people make issue with a defaced Mum, I consider it just part of the weapons history. It looks like a nice matching rifle and the cleaning rod is a bonus. Off the top of my head I can't remember if that series had AA sights or dust cover. If it has been sanded it does not look like they put much effort into it. I've found Japanese WW2 rifles fun, accurate and pretty easy to reload for. I'd also be tempted to take home what appears to be an Israeli K98 in your gun shop's rack.

I enjoy military history and if I had to put a number on it I'd say 95% of my collection is pre 1950.

Artyldr01

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jan 15, 2018

JeepFan said:
I can see why your tempted on the T-99, if the price was fair I'd be tempted too. Some people make issue with a defaced Mum, I consider it just part of the weapons history. It looks like a nice matching rifle and the cleaning rod is a bonus. Off the top of my head I can't remember if that series had AA sights or dust cover. If it has been sanded it does not look like they put much effort into it. I've found Japanese WW2 rifles fun, accurate and pretty easy to reload for. I'd also be tempted to take home what appears to be an Israeli K98 in your gun shop's rack.

I enjoy military history and if I had to put a number on it I'd say 95% of my collection is pre 1950.

Good eye! Yes it is an Israeli K98k. The T99 should have the wings but they are missing. I don't mind the mum either. They want $300, probably a bit high but not bad. I love that the wrist is sort of blackened from being gripped a long time, youbcsn see where The thumb rested on The other side too. The Israeli K98 is $400 I think but they are a flexible I think. They have two M1s and 2 M1903a3s as well.

He had already riveted the NoDak receiver so hard to change to a Childers at this point without cost increase but I'm still excited. I suspect this won't be my last AK. I will get a Childers next time, perhaps a Soviet AK? I ponder an Iraqi Tabuk? The kind I capture was a Romanian underfolder (with the curved foregrip?) I couldn't bring it home but I kept the muzzle brake! So many options.

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