DPMS 308 or PTR 91?

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Well, I think you've sat down and honestly thought about them and come to some decent conclusions (except for the G3 retractable stock..... ).

Between the two.....I might acually give the DPMS a try. As you said, the .223 rifles really have some fleas, but the .308's have been doing well, although I don't know how many people have run them hard.

You can get a DSA StG-58 Standard or Carbine for less than $1250.00.

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L1a1's/Fals are easy to scope too. Just replace the topcover . But I would also probably lean towards the .308 ar just because I do not like the ergonomics of hk91 and I dunno why but I always end up with a sore jaw when I shoot one.

Templar: isn't that first one a south african kit?

Depends.

My DPMS A3 can shoot crazy small groups:

Downside is it's freakin heavy, brother. I wanted a DMR to replace the G3 S/G1:

'cause I sold it. Why? Well...
Besides the crappy ergos, and the PITA scope mounting options, the G3 and PTR come with a 1:12 18" barrel. That barrel is extremely limiting, with respect to a DMR. On top of that, I never have seen (SEEN, not read about on the interweb) a G3 or PTR shoot better than 2MOA. Now, if you want a door kicker and don't plan on shooting anything reliably outside of 500M than the G3 is ok. BUT, my choice is:

The FAL has an adjustable gas system, is lighter and has FAR better ergos. In a doorkicker, ergos win; the ability to quickly reload, to execute follow-up shots, etc. is not something to disregard. The FAL has a relieved magwell, index-finger-operated (within actual reach of normal humans) mag release and drop-free mags to speed mag changes, a big dumb knob of a charging handle, and an easily actuated (within reach of actual human thumbs) safety. The G3 is ... mediocre. Looks nice though. My doorkicker G3s looked like this:


If I was on a budget I'd get a Saiga 308 and convert that; I'd much rather have a Russian RPK with a chrome-lined hammer-forged barrel than a PTR with it's soft button-rifled unlined heavy half-assed "target" tube. WHATEVER you do, don't use that crap barrel...

I may buy another DPMS with a doorkicker configuration (18"LW/telestock/rail) as the performance of my DPMS has been OUTSTANDING.

IMHO, YMMV, etc...

ID GO FOR THE AR-10.

I own a dsa fal, a dpms ar-10b, and have shot the hk ptr-91.

the one that wins is the ar-10,

easier to find parts, easier to scope, recoil is very light, easy to clean, it has the best ergonomics sub-moa accuracy.

with lithuanian surplus i shoot 1-1.5" groups at 100 yards with the ar-10

im trying out the 168 grain and the 175 grain loads very shortly.

dont get into the chorme and mil spec bull that argue the most finite points.

the dpms works and works great. ive put close to a thousand rounds through mine and it never fails. i would suggest using grease on the bolt carrier though. i like using wheel bearing grease it helps the action a lot.

south african shoots okay groups.
indian ammo shoots 4" plus groups dont waste your time with this ammo.
lithuanian shoots the best so far. 1-1.5" groups
mine has a 1-10 twist so imtrying out the 168 and the 175 next