I applaud your active mind. Its a very VERY long shot, but hey, crazier things have happened. Also, think of it this way; who would be making the most profit, the end consumer or the one doing the work over in europe? If the profit margins are not lucrative enough, then Cugir probably won't go for it.
Can this happen?
OK... the gun is the receiver. Barrels, receivers= no importo. Russian "military" firearms (Makarov, SKS, SVT, etc) and such= no importo. Stocks of Russian AKMs= in some areas of the world available for sale.
So... would it be possible to have, say, Cugir obtain some of those Russian AKMs, de-mil the receiver and then re-build them on single stack WASR receivers? They are ROMANIAN made, after all... and who cares if the receiver is garbage. Destroy the old receiver and then build later on a legal receiver. This has been done with guns such as police captures, and is not illegal, so long as the original receiver is destroyed before removing the trunnion.
This would get us plentiful Russian AK kits, and Century doesn't even need to make them double stack. They can spotweld the muzzle device in place and spotweld over the lug so it can't be used. It is a hell of a lot easier to dremel two welds then pay $1,000 for a Russian AK kit... and if it is true that these complete rifles sell for in the $200 range individually, I bet they could be group-bought and sent to Cugir (arms factory, legit EUC) and then destroyed and re-built... etc. The result? A Russian kit, less receiver, that would likely be able to be sold for in the $550 range to us on the civilian market.
Thoughts?
So... would it be possible to have, say, Cugir obtain some of those Russian AKMs, de-mil the receiver and then re-build them on single stack WASR receivers? They are ROMANIAN made, after all... and who cares if the receiver is garbage. Destroy the old receiver and then build later on a legal receiver. This has been done with guns such as police captures, and is not illegal, so long as the original receiver is destroyed before removing the trunnion.
This would get us plentiful Russian AK kits, and Century doesn't even need to make them double stack. They can spotweld the muzzle device in place and spotweld over the lug so it can't be used. It is a hell of a lot easier to dremel two welds then pay $1,000 for a Russian AK kit... and if it is true that these complete rifles sell for in the $200 range individually, I bet they could be group-bought and sent to Cugir (arms factory, legit EUC) and then destroyed and re-built... etc. The result? A Russian kit, less receiver, that would likely be able to be sold for in the $550 range to us on the civilian market.
Thoughts?
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My thought is that Romania probably wants as little to do with Russia as possible unless your talking about them getting the Russian AKMs from another source.
Think about it - if Cugir had to obtain the Russian rifles, do all that work on them, export them, etc. they would be a hell of a lot more expensive to us than $550. I'd wager they'd had to be double that price for them to feel it was worth the effort.
Dude, pay more attention to your girlfriend...... :wink:
...or someone else will. :walkdoor:
rayman1 said:Think about it - if Cugir had to obtain the Russian rifles, do all that work on them, export them, etc. they would be a hell of a lot more expensive to us than $550. I'd wager they'd had to be double that price for them to feel it was worth the effort.
As is, they de-mil military rifles and then re-build them into WASR rifles. Nothing they aren't used to.
Lets say a US importer finds a good source, say $200 per AKM. $205 each for say 20 crates of them to be shipped to Cugir. Instead of de-milling AIM rifles, they de-mill Russian AKM rifles. Then build the WASR rifles.
Say it is $350 for a normal WASR... that INCLUDES importing, shipping, manufacture, etc. We are providing the parts this time, so even though there is the extra $205, some of it will be absorbed in the fact Romania isn't paying for the parts.
That is where the $550 comes from.
Tim, my brain does not know the meaning of off. I thought of this earlier while me and her were studying for A&P II. Trust me, half my project ideas come to me when I'm already working on something else (the dumber ones come around when my brain is idle).
No, they build WASRs out of newly manufactured parts that don't make the inspection standard for their military rifles.Q-gunner2 said:As is, they de-mil military rifles and then re-build them into WASR rifles. Nothing they aren't used to.
They don't 'demil' anything.
I don't know, I'd be willing to bet they do some demils. I've seen G code Sar's and it seems like some PSL's got demilled and rebuilt. That would explain how new production guns where not matching numbers. Don't have any proof but did Romania every issue G code Sar's? I guess anythings possible but, why would they?nalioth said:No, they build WASRs out of newly manufactured parts that don't make the inspection standard for their military rifles.Q-gunner2 said:As is, they de-mil military rifles and then re-build them into WASR rifles. Nothing they aren't used to.
They don't 'demil' anything.
The factory is set up for "New Production", rebuilding de-milled rifles would add several steps, and pay offs, to the whole process. You'd be better off starting a new Company in Croatia.
I'm not saying it happens all the time I just want to know how this happened.JOHNO said:The factory is set up for "New Production", rebuilding de-milled rifles would add several steps, and pay offs, to the whole process. You'd be better off starting a new Company in Croatia.
You also have to remember tooling up when they have stock piles of 100,000 aks takes, time, money, and production as well.
S and F markings G code Sar
IIRC, stuff has to remain in a friendly country for a number of years ala PLO kits and AIM Izzy 5.45 magazines.
YMMV
YMMV
Romania manufactures their own Kalashnikovs - they are set up for it and completely independent of other countries for aid in arms manufacturing. Not gonna happen, the Romanians aren't very easy to deal with either.
Now if it where China.WarBaby said:Romania manufactures their own Kalashnikovs - they are set up for it and completely independent of other countries for aid in arms manufacturing. Not gonna happen, the Romanians aren't very easy to deal with either.
China would have suitcase nukes on wal-mart shelves if they could.StreetTrends said:Now if it where China.WarBaby said:Romania manufactures their own Kalashnikovs - they are set up for it and completely independent of other countries for aid in arms manufacturing. Not gonna happen, the Romanians aren't very easy to deal with either.
Very much incorrect.nalioth said:No, they build WASRs out of newly manufactured parts that don't make the inspection standard for their military rifles.Q-gunner2 said:As is, they de-mil military rifles and then re-build them into WASR rifles. Nothing they aren't used to.
They don't 'demil' anything.
I have a WASR with the triangle and date stamps half ground out, and dot matrix SNs placed over it. That, and there are G coded parts, parts with a different finish than the receiver, etc. Below inspection standard? Totally false, which I assume was fabricated from someones unknowing mind.
If you have 1,000,000 rifles that you can't sell, but have demand for 100,000 semi auto rifles using 96% of the same parts, why pay to make all new parts when the other ones aren't moving? Hell... people have SARs and WASRs with 1980s dated trunnions as well (recall a few members asking if they were pre-ban due to the trunnion date?)
The Romanians are capitalists. Russian WASR rifles would sell like hotcakes. If it can be done legally and people can make big $$$, I bet it will happen. Just like the German StGw-44 rifles... I was told dozens of times over, they will never be sold here. But check IOs latest catalog... and that is a far lower demand than Russian AKs.
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You DO realize that the BATF trolls this site and looks for ideas such as yours just so they can re-write the rules to thwart you, don't you?
You young guys are your own worst enemies sometimes! :grin:
You DO realize that the BATF trolls this site and looks for ideas such as yours just so they can re-write the rules to thwart you, don't you?
You young guys are your own worst enemies sometimes! :grin:
That just means we need to act faster than they do while it is still legal and rifles can be grandfathered. :grin:
It's just not going to happen man.
Go pay attention to your girl. :twisted:
Go pay attention to your girl. :twisted:
Shittiest capitalists ive seen. They are difficult to deal with. Jimmy Streetman of Global Trades told me himself this is why they ceased to carry new Romanian parts. Same story for K-VAR's dwindling Romanian parts supply.
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