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sometimes waiting for news is tough. At least he sent an email today. Hard sitting there not knowing who is not coming home when no names are reported. This was one of his emails today.

i dont know why i decided to write this but when they overran our fob again (last time was ranchhouse) this time they overran the OP first, throwing grenade after grenade there. then machine gun fire, and a seemingly limitless supply of rpgs.



the hardest part was going through their crap the following days, some of the gear was so bad we had to store it in garbage bags.



in one attack they almost wiped out a whole platoon. 9 kia, thats over a squad. 16 wia, thats two squads.



supposedly the taliban had over 200 guys, i can believe it. it was a 7 sided attack. they didnt initiate until they were well within 50 ft.



200 against less than 30.



thats ridiculous.



again i dont know why i wrote that. anyhoo, illl be fine, were shutting it down, we're all back. its all over, except that those guys now died for no reason.
 

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I'm speechless. The worst thing I've had to contend with today is a customer demanding the impossible.
 

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+1... glad to hear he made it, Sorry for those that didn't ......Praying for the rest..
 

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Someone in my unit talked to some of the survivors that night. They were pretty shaken up and anxious to get to a phone to let family know they were still alive. Another guy was at church when they called out the chaplian to perform last rites at the hospital. Been a rough couple of days for quite a few good people. We're hearing it's going to get worse.
 

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I have someone who I believe was involved in that. Have not heard about them yet. Waiting is the worst part.

If we just pull them ALL out now, does it make it worse for those that dont come home, or better knowing there wont be any more joining them.

Reading Black Hawk Down it seemed to be the overwleming opinion of those guys was that the withdrawl of forces from Somalia after that battle made the deaths of their comrades meaningless.

How do you fight a war that everyone wants ended but no one is willing to fight the way we need to in order to end it?
 

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I have someone who I believe was involved in that. Have not heard about them yet. Waiting is the worst part.

If we just pull them ALL out now, does it make it worse for those that dont come home, or better knowing there wont be any more joining them.

Reading Black Hawk Down it seemed to be the overwleming opinion of those guys was that the withdrawl of forces from Somalia after that battle made the deaths of their comrades meaningless.

How do you fight a war that everyone wants ended but no one is willing to fight the way we need to in order to end it?
those guys keep having their departure date delayed. They were already supposed to be home. Some have already come home. My brother should be home by friday, was supposed to be home last week. That is the worst part.
 

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Mt thoughts and prayers will be with you and those that did not make it. Stay safe man.
 

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I absolutely REFUSE to think about Son #2's going to
Afghanistan in December; I just don't do it.

If they'd let me, I'd go in his place.

He's at the NTC right now...........................called me the other
day to say, "Dad, it's HOT out here."

Me: "No shit? Imagine that...........it gets hot at the NTC? Who'da
thunk it?" :lol:
 

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How do you fight a war that everyone wants ended but no one is willing to fight the way we need to in order to end it?
Meet the people who've been caught in the middle of three decades of war. See the dispair in their eyes, the frustration at a society that's a shadow of what it once was. Watch a man in his seventies on his hands and knees, voluntarily, working the concrete on a runway used to support coalition aircraft, trying to do his part to rid the nation he loves of the Taliban. See what's really going on, and not what's on the news, and you understand. Obviously not all agree, but that's my take.
 

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Sorry to hear about the losses.

In that area they've been doing this for 100+ years, British used to have the same problems (infiltration, swarm attacks during scheduled events) and even invented some odd tactics to combat it. The only thing that worked somewhat was sectioning off belligerent tribal groups, engaging in punitive actions on occasion, and shooting their herds if they strayed from the ersatz reservation.

Despite all international pandering, there is no border between Afghanistan and Pakistan and there will never be a border that exists on anything other than a map. Even the Pakistani government works off this assumption.
 
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