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Brand new to the forum and ak's. I picked up a wasr based on ak operators union recommendations. I purchased it from prepper gun shop because it was the cheapest and from other people opinion had good quality control. I was looking for some magazines and I really wanted the metal surplus ones. It just so happened they had BHO mags for $8.99 I bought four because to my understanding the only bho mags that existed were yugo. And the only review was a guy saying they were yugo. I day goes by and the order hasn't shipped so I ask why they told me they were waiting to get my mags in. I asked if they were yugo just to make sure and she said it was croatian. I've heard mixed reviews about them and wanted to know if they are gtg.The package arrives tuesday.
 

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Yeah I saw it after I bought them god forbid they have a 30 day return. I've also seen more recent videos showing them working fine without any work needed to be done.
 

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They're yugo, at least the ones from Prepper are... I have 2 wasrs and bought 15... one of them they all fit just fine... the other needed just some sandpaper to the back of the lugs to fit with the cross rivet.... wasn't any real work. just the thickness of hte paint and maybe a little more.... even that second one that was snug, they all FIT... but it was really tight and you could feel the resistance as the back of the lug hit the rivet... the sanding just allowed it to smooth out.

If they are saying they are Croat I would really get pissed, as they ADVERTISE them in the title as being Zastava serbian/yugo mags. Not Croats. You'll know when they arrive. The Croats have a maple leaf type insignia along the body
 

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If you just want BHO mags.......buy a 3-pack of the WeaponTech BHO followers.
If they advertised the Yugo mags......you should get Yugo........otherwise return for refund. The Croatian mags are not all bad. I've test fitted and all seem to lock up okay. Have yet to load up and fire with them. I would still prefer and recommend the Yugo BHO mags for sure.
Another way of looking at things...........you could buy the Korean mags for a bit more than the Croatians but there you go again with sub-standard stuff to work with.
I like buying $4-$5 jacked up mags and fixing them to 100% reliability. The undertaking isn't difficult.........it's just not for the weak nor mechanically challenged individuals.
Keep shooting :)
 

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The Croatian mags have all worked fine for me. Some filing may be required to fit certain rifles.
 

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This may help you understand what is available in the current marketplace.
There are three countries / factories that manufacture these new Bolt Hold Open (BHO) AK magazines.

GIBBS sells AK magazine manufactured by MATRA in BOSNIA:
Magazines | Matra Group


Zastava manufactured magazines come from the factory in Serbia:
1992- (Modern Development) | Zastava-arms

Military catalogue Zastava arms

In the past the Zastava factory was in Yugoslavia, after the war that area became Serbia.

The Croatian factory produced AK magazines come from a factory located in Croatia.
So far the actual factory name hasn't come to be know, but there are a large number of arms related factories near the HS Products plant
 

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I've got several dozen of them and they're GTG
 

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We have these in stock right now at akoptions, $8.98 per mag when you buy 10 or more. Plus we do $10 flat rate shipping! exact same mags from the same source that apex gets them.

here's a link.
APEX has the NEW Zastava magazines restocked.

AKOptions, just because we are selling the same product DOESN'T make it OK for you to copy and use the text from my web site adverts in your advertisements (both on your web site AND on the firearm forums.)
Specifically the following:
7/18/2017 UPDATE: These magazines will not fit in the Hungarian SA 2000M AMD-65 type rifles, and we have had customer reports that they do not fit the Palmetto State Armory PSAK type rifle.

Richard
 

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APEX has the NEW Zastava magazines restocked.

AKOptions, just because we are selling the same product DOESN'T make it OK for you to copy and use the text from my web site adverts in your advertisements (both on your web site AND on the firearm forums.)
Specifically the following:
7/18/2017 UPDATE: These magazines will not fit in the Hungarian SA 2000M AMD-65 type rifles, and we have had customer reports that they do not fit the Palmetto State Armory PSAK type rifle.

Richard

Hi Richard and Or Apex gun Part representative, I totally understand why you would not want someone to use your advertisements for there own gain. I assumed a single line of info that protects customers would fine as it is in the general interest of the both our customers to have this info. If it makes you feel better I'll go ahead and rearrange the words, That way my customers will still be able to make a smart, and informed choice while not being the same wording as yours site. Also next time you have a message for me please have the professional courtesy to send an email rather than posting a dramatic oversized message on a forum.

Thanks Mike.
 

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Hi Richard and Or Apex gun Part representative, I totally understand why you would not want someone to use your advertisements for there own gain. I assumed a single line of info that protects customers would fine as it is in the general interest of the both our customers to have this info. If it makes you feel better I'll go ahead and rearrange the words, That way my customers will still be able to make a smart, and informed choice while not being the same wording as yours site. Also next time you have a message for me please have the professional courtesy to send an email rather than posting a dramatic oversized message on a forum.

Thanks Mike.
I would feel better if you shared your own customers experiences and your own efforts at testing magazine fitment.
My people spent a good amount of effort trying the Zastava magazines in various rifles we brought in and also capturing our customers feedback.
We also had to take the time to update our advert.

Professional courtesy is something I generally practice.
However, since you chose to use the APEX company name when promoting your product sales instead of sticking to the positives of the product and your own company (example below)

"We have these in stock right now at akoptions, $8.98 per mag when you buy 10 or more. Plus we do $10 flat rate shipping! exact same mags from the same source that apex gets them."


I tend to get a bit upset and might respond in manner that isn't as professional as is expected of me/APEX Gun Parts.
Also, this isn't the first time you mention being offered product from the same source as us (RE. Galil kits)
Be professional and I will show the same professionalism in return.

Richard
 

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They are better made than the korean ones. They do not fit all Ak s t, but all you need is a little dremel on the fit lips. They are as good as other mag.

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I would feel better if you shared your own customers experiences and your own efforts at testing magazine fitment.
My people spent a good amount of effort trying the Zastava magazines in various rifles we brought in and also capturing our customers feedback.
We also had to take the time to update our advert.

Professional courtesy is something I generally practice.
However, since you chose to use the APEX company name when promoting your product sales instead of sticking to the positives of the product and your own company (example below)

"We have these in stock right now at akoptions, $8.98 per mag when you buy 10 or more. Plus we do $10 flat rate shipping! exact same mags from the same source that apex gets them."


I tend to get a bit upset and might respond in manner that isn't as professional as is expected of me/APEX Gun Parts.
Also, this isn't the first time you mention being offered product from the same source as us (RE. Galil kits)
Be professional and I will show the same professionalism in return.

Richard
Hi again Richard. I apologize if you somehow took my use of the Apex name in the above forum post as derogatory or disparaging. It was not meant to be so. In fact the opposite was meant when I used the apex name in the quoted line about the mags. The purpose was to lend credibility to the mags by saying they are carried by an outlet that we all trust and that the product I have are truly the same thing. So again please do not think that I was attempting to belittle or in any other way bring negative feeling toward Apex.
As for the following:
"I would feel better if you shared your own customers experiences and your own efforts at testing magazine fitment.
My people spent a good amount of effort trying the Zastava magazines in various rifles we brought in and also capturing our customers feedback.
We also had to take the time to update our advert."

I truly do not see a problem in making sure that customers have all the information I can provide them. I appreciate that you and yours spent time and energy gathering this information and I trust it to be true. With that in mind, I believe it would be irresponsible for me to knowingly leave that information unsaid when selling the product just because your people gathered the data rather than me doing it myself. I have only sold about 150 mags so far and if I was to wait for this info to come from my own customers while ignoring the info you already gathered and shared publicly I would be doing a disservice to the customers buying from me in the meantime. I do however fully understand why you would be upset about the use of the same wording and regret my lack of effort to present the information in a different manner.

Perhaps this and the above are shortcomings in my way of thinking but I also am unsure what is wrong with referencing that one of our sources for potential product might be the same? I don't think I have said anything negative and am honestly a little confused about what was unprofessional about that statement. Like I said perhaps that is a problem with my viewpoint and/or the short time I've been in the industry but I truly don't see it.

I do apologize for any perceived offence and will respond from here on out through email if I feel a response is needed.

Thanks again
Mike
 

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I too agree that it is a good practice to provide your customers with as much information as is practically possible.
In the case of the Zastava magazines the importer was not able to supply much more than basic info.
I too have been in that situation with a variety of products.
What would have been the best course of action (and has usually worked for me) would have been to e-mail or call the person or company that has experience with the product and ask what info they can willingly supply.
PM's don't work on most all the boards I belong to, its e-mail or call.
I have a whole bunch of "friendly competitors" and we often share product info, even buying from each other.
In the course of those conversations I learn what I cannot share publicly or with other retailers.
That brings us to the topic of "sources".
The unwritten rule of retail and especially surplus importation is that no source wants to be "known", and importers rarely state what country or broker supplied their product.
I have seen surplus deals ruined because someone stated openly where the material was coming from.

For APEX I try and avoid speculation, focus on the product and what my company can do for my customer and try to improve where possible.

Richard
 
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