Does anyone have ANY info, drawings, prints etc, on the Beretta PM12S subgun? ANY help is appreciated. Thanks!!
synweap223 said:Have a lead on a PM12 kit for $120, and wanted to build a semi auto PM12S (fake can perm attached). There seems to be no real info on the net on these at all!!!
You will have to make it a closed bolt version, as the originalssynweap223 said:Have a lead on a PM12 kit for $120, and wanted to build a semi auto PM12S (fake can perm attached). There seems to be no real info on the net on these at all!!!
synweap223 said:Thanks to all who've responded. Your info is much appreciated.Never fired one, but I've heard these are SWEET shooters. Very controllable, and fairly easy to maintain. Getting one with the happy switch will be impossible for me (lest a huge lottery win) but building a semi version isnt too far out of reach.
I would build it on a seamless tube of the correct outer diameter, but a smaller ID (thicker wall), so the original bolt wont fit it. That would force me to also fabricate a new bolt, and convert it from its former machine gun self to a semi version using whatever means I can think up. A fake can permanently attached would bring it to legal length. I also had delusions of trying to make it take Sten mags as well :lol: . Its a cool project idea, but if I cant find any REAL info on it (dimensions, thread pitches, prints, etc) then it isnt even worth persueing. I've seen guys on the net that sell tubes with the print glued to it, but thats not what I want to do (see above, different tube dims) and getting them to sell just the print is like pulling teeth, and then checking that print for errors is also impossible, since theres no DETAILED info out there on the web for these things!! I just know that I want one, and I'm hoping to figure a way of doing it.
Thanks again guys. And the search continues.
could this be the same one that Gulfport PD had at their range in the late 90s early 2000. The gunsmith @ Cooks was also the rangemaster for GPD his name was Robert Landsdell (he actually came in 2nd in some shoot with Maysad ayoob) this was the 1st full auto I ever shot and it was great, he would invite me their and we literally had a blast. however, Robert movrf bsvk to Arkansas and I think that they shut the range down. I have always wanted one since then and during the late 90s I kick myself for at least not buying an uzi smg for around 4k back then and m-16 went for around 7, Damn if i only made the cash back then that I do now--i would probably be divorsed but happyMKM said:Couple of points here...
The Beretta PM12S is certainly a fine subgun. My local dealer has a post sample one and I have had the opportunity to shoot it on many ocassions. It is as silky smooth as a Sterling without all the quirky ergonomic issues of the Sterling. It is also every bit the "tank" that an Uzi is, but is much more smooth a shooter.
Building a semi version probably doesn't make a lot of sense for several reasons. One, changing the function to closed bolt will change the gun substantially and you would not realize any "smoothness or controllability" benefits in that configuration. Another thing is that if you look at the receiver of the PM12S, you will not that the forward grip and the firing mechanism are contained in stampings that are part of the receiver tube and itr would be very difficult to craft them onto a new tube. Yet another issue is finding a striker mechanism that would work within the PM12's trigger housing. Using Sten mags would also make the project much more difficult due to their dimensional differences, plus they are a PIA to load anyway.
Although it would be cool...in the end you wouldn't have a gun that would do anything that a semi Uzi wont already do, with much easier mags to live with.