A question about compliance

xslice said:

You're not one of those guys who has a friend that has an uncle that has the part you need? And a .gmail address? LOL.

An Ak usually needs 6 US made parts to be 922(r) compliant. The FCG counts as 3. Trigger grip - 1, Buttstock-1, handguard -1. That is six. If he wants to really be safe put a US made muzzle attachment.

If he would like to keep the original FCG then buy a US made magazine, counts as 3 parts also.

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JeepFan said:

Like your "friend" I also bear my arms within the letter of the law.

I'm in the same boat but worse, my collection spans firearms made about 130 years ago up to modern items. I like to research and learn about them as a hobby. I'm a shooter and by no way an expert. All were bought legally.

It is unfortunate your "friend" has no way of knowing what was added or subtracted from this firearm over the last 20 years. Nor could he possibly know the source of any parts needed for maintenace or repair before that firearm came into his possession.

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Indykid said:

Did you do the conversion or was it purchased that way? If you (or your "friend") bought the rifle fully assembled, the stupid "no more than 10 imported parts" rule does not apply. If you made the conversion then you cannot have more than 10 imported parts in your long gun. Look up either 18USC 922(r) or believe it or not the stupidity is also listed under Title 27 CFR 478.39 for the "rule" and the listed parts that count.

Warning, if you have a legal 10 maximum parts AK variant and accidently replace the USA pistol grip with an imported one, the second you tighten the screw, all your windows will explode with huge men in black suits entering, your doors will also explode with similar large dressed in black men. Your lawn will have been torn up by huge black Blazers and the sky will be filled with black helicopters.

Note, purple text signifies internet sarcasm!

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6526 said:

,,,,,,and your dogs will spontaneously detonate

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Bret said:

There is no such thing as a 922(r) compliant rifle or shotgun. 922(r) regulates the act of assembly. Read the law for yourself. This was recently confirmed by the ATF in regard to braced pistols that they now claim are SBR's. So, when you're assembling a rifle, you have to make sure that you don't use more than 10 of the listed imported parts. It is perfectly legal to possess a rifle or shotgun that was assembled by someone else in violation of 922(r). In order to get a conviction, the federal government would have to prove that you assembled the firearm in violation of 922(r). For example, if you bought a parts kit, made a functional rifle out of it while not complying with 922(r), and the ATF found you in possession of it, they would pretty easily be able to make the case that at some point you violated 922(r) simply by counting the number of foreign listed parts. On the other hand, if you bought a rifle from someone else who assembled it in violation of 922(r) and they found you in possession of it, your defense would be that you purchased it that way. The ATF knows this which is why 922(r) prosecutions are virtually non-existent. To be clear, I'm not advocating that anyone play games with their freedom when it comes to 922(r). When I assemble a rifle, I make 100% sure that I do so while complying with 922(r). I just think that it's important that people understand exactly what the law does and doesn't say. Again, there is nothing illegal about buying and possessing a rifle or shotgun that was assembled with more than 10 of the listed foreign parts.

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PRDUBI said:

The beauty of the amnesty brace bullshit is that ATF said 922 doesn't matter.

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Henceforth you got a Draco with brace and you got an approved amnesty form 1, go put that folding stock on it and knock yourself out.

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Bret said:

More specifically, they said that 922(r) applies to whoever assembled what the ATF is now claiming was an SBR, this in spite of the fact that the ATF previously claimed they were pistols. So, the people who assembled the pistols, I mean SBR's, did so in violation of 922(r). Isn't it nice that they ATF give grace on the retroactive felonies that they create?


According to the ATF, the only braced pistols that can get amnesty are those that were in your possession on the date that the ATF published the rules in the federal register. If you bought a braced pistol after that date, you have to pay the usual $200 or remove the brace by the deadline.

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Olle said:

I wonder if anybody has ever been prosecuted for violating 922(r), seems like not even the manufacturers follow the rules. I used to have a CETME built by Century, and the only US made parts appeared to be the upper receiver and the barrel. I have seen other guns like this as well, built from surplus parts with only a minimum of US made parts. It's a very strange regulation to begin with, and I don't think even ATF cares about it since it's near impossible to enforce.

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Olle said:

I wonder if anybody has ever been prosecuted for violating 922(r), seems like not even the manufacturers follow the rules. I used to have a CETME built by Century, and the only US made parts appeared to be the upper receiver and the barrel. I have seen other guns like this as well, built from surplus parts with only a minimum of US made parts. It's a very strange regulation to begin with, and I don't think even ATF cares about it since it's near impossible to enforce.

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