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Perhaps I didn't store it properly but the zinc plating started flaking, leaving black crap underneath. Was in 50 cal ammo cans, at the time I blamed the ammo, not had issues with anything else.
 

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Perhaps I didn't store it properly but the zinc plating started flaking, leaving black crap underneath. Was in 50 cal ammo cans, at the time I blamed the ammo, not had issues with anything else.
Okay, and thanks for explaining that. What I do have is still in the small blue cube boxes with the paper inside. I've never had a whole lot of the zinc plated stuff, but I like to know what to watch out for. What I scored on a trade a few weeks ago is already loaded up in magazines hoping to shoot this week.
 

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I like shooting this stuff....it's like Star Wars... ;)

 

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Neat! Where did you get the Yugo tracer?
I think a guy found a case on the files the crate was labeled wrong so it came here by accident and he sold it off by the box and I will say it'd be one expensive star wars reinactment
 

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I think a guy found a case on the files the crate was labeled wrong so it came here by accident and he sold it off by the box and I will say it'd be one expensive star wars reinactment
Correct!
 

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Very cool!
 

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I think a guy found a case on the files the crate was labeled wrong so it came here by accident and he sold it off by the box and I will say it'd be one expensive star wars reinactment
I wish I would have bought a box or two just to have with that being said yugo has my vote is just very cool and good ammo.
 

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Bringing an old thread back but one that I think still has a theme that applies.

My normal steel cased go-to over the years has been the 124 grain wolf military classic. Last 4 years or so it’s been specifically hollowpoints since the manned ranges I go to have prohibited fmj ammo that reacts to magnets.

I feel like over the course of all the different stuff I’ve kept buying over the years, the military classic has given me the best consistent accuracy from year to year. A lot of the other brands have done close to, or as good as, at some point or another, but for some reason it feels like they inevitable drop in consistency more than the wmc over the long term.

I’d be interested to see someone on youtube do some well thought-out footage comparing performance between different lots of the same type of ammo over a certain amount of time. Take a bunch of different steel-cased ammo brands and compare consistency between lots of the same stuff to see how much consistency varies over time by brand.

I will also say as far as worst ammo I’ve tried, I have had 2 that were really bad. Last year I had bought me a 100 pack of some of that red army standard 8V3 HP made by Vympel to try out, and at 100 yards Not only was there no pattern but even half the rounds weren’t even on paper. I took it to 25 yards to figure out what was going on and noticed no real pattern again, along with several keyholes in the paper. Aside from that I tried some stuff 5-6 years back when all that ammo hoarding was going on, that allegedly was russian with the bullet pulled and new one put in, and that was again, just horrible. Even at 25 yards it looked like they were all over. With the 8v3 there were at least key holes to explain what might be going on, but with this stuff there wasn’t any of that. Just consistently shitty.
 

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I've had decent luck with RAS, but I do consider it range ammo only.
 

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I've had decent luck with RAS, but I do consider it range ammo only.
I think I’ve shot some regular RAS before that worked out fine but something about these 100 rounds of 8V3 did not work right with my rifle. Whether they had slightly undersized bullets or a combination of slightly undersized bullet with a barrel just worn enough or who knows what. Thankfully I haven’t noticed key holes from any other ammo so hopefully it was all on the 8V3 bullet and nothing to do with my barrel. Either way, I’m glad I didn’t get a full case of 1000 right of the bat before I tried out that 8V3 in a small batch first.
 

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I've been meaning to do a thread on how shitty the GECO brass-cased ammo is. [The only plus is ending up with a reloadable brass case.] Horrible accuracy, I've compared it with most steel case cartridges in several guns and its just about always the worst performer. Shot some last week through the new 2 Rivers DMR in a comparison with Brown Bear and it didn't even come close, noting that the Brown Bear compares very favorably - better than most - with other steel-cased ammo types (including Golden Tiger), and I've noticed that through the Howa 7.62x39 bolt gun too.
 

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I took my M70 out along with some pistols to a range nearby yesterday. After I got done with the pistols, I put the target up to 25 yards (as far as it went) and shot the magazines of various steel cased 7.62x39 ammo. I had some of the green box “mil spec” wolf softpoints, and either regular wolf or wolf mc hollowpoints without the lacquer, both of which shot decent. But in-between those two, I also shot some Golden Tiger I had from a few years back. In the past (a few years back) golden tiger shot fine, but this time, when I checked out the target I noticed the rounds all over, and with a number of keyholed ones too. Very much like the 8V3 from earlier last year.

So, here’s my question, if the bullet diameter of the vympel made rounds isn’t unusually small in comparison to the other rounds, could the boat tail bullet design be the reason why these rounds are performing like shit, and if so, why just now?

Is it some weird combination of the barrel wearing out and the boat-tail design being more sensitive to that, or what?

Anyways, thanks for any ideas.
 

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I suppose in theory it could be that as the boat tail design has less % of its surface area in contact with the rifling vs a normal bullet. Flat ended or hollowed ended bullets probably conform to the rifling better. Its just the boat tail helps once the bullet has left the barrel.
 

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I’ve had bad luck with RAS. I get stuck cases. I prefer Golden Tiger above anything. Second choice is Wolf or Barnaul.
 
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