All of the Tulas have their originally scratched top covers, and all have the long Izhevsk-style lower TC rib.
If I may point out a correction, 68hemiRR's nice looking '69 Tula kit listed in post #23 of this thread has the same PB batch code as mine rather than the LB code indicated. I got curious about the same forge code and similar batch code and recalled his very first post here: https://www.theakforum.net/forums/29-...ml#post1553142.
Unless my sanity slips, these will be my only AKMs to log. Although if I found a 70s Tula or an early 60s kit from either arsenal, that might be a different story!
10-19-2014, 02:32 PM
That's my bad for not understanding cyrillic off the copy paste list. I picked what looked the closest.
I have two more Izzy kits now both in the same series as yours.
More kits? It looks like you've got it bad! That's a nice sequence of parts we have with the same batch code and same forging series. For our Latinized (sorry all) PN batch code, we have a sequence of rifles with the ordered forge codes E5, E6, then E4.
Jumping to conclusions on one data point like this can be dangerous, but this makes me think that we should be hesitant of using forge codes to indicate a time series to the day or maybe even the month. Maybe they'll only be accurate to the production quarter. I can only imagine that when new forgings arrive at the factory they are just dumped into the bins and not necessarily used up in any particular order. In the case of Izhevsk and Tulas early 70's onwards I understand that the arsenal and date stamps are already marked in the forging, so the batch code and sn are really the only way to know the time period for certain. We could get into the case of the '87 - '88 RGuns AK-74 kits where some '87 marked trunnions were numbered within the accepted '88 serial number range. (I don't have evidence of this myself, only stories.)
What are the thoughts on the time resolution we should expect to have if we are able to assign dates to forging codes? My wild unscientific guess is that they might eventually be able to tell us the season the rifle was built, with a few outliers due to an old trunnion used in a newer build. They wouldn't be able to indicate the fine-grained production sequence that the individual sn's in a batch code provide, but they might tell us which batch codes were active on a factory's production lines at a given time - a useful piece of information for those that obsess over this kind of stuff!
10-20-2014, 04:07 PM
Hey guys, figured I'd make an announcement in this thread too. Forgive me for the shameless plug-
I've been working on gathering these for AKSU's a lot since the start of this thread. After a nudge from Doug the other night, I'm going to try to focus all my attention right now on the '86 AKSU's rather than hunting for odd year ones like I have been. It would be a tremendous help if you guys with kits could take the time and add the FC's to this thread - https://www.theakforum.net/forums/17-...-thread-4.html (definitely don't wanna clutter up this AKM thread with AKSU stuff)
I'd really appreciate any help. I'm sure this will yield a hell of a lot of information for those of us trying to perfect our clones