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    ATF’s gun measurement change now forcing federal registration of popular guns

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    Clarification. Apparently some thought if you put a brace on a pistol and its overall length was then over 26"', it was not concealable, so not a pistol any longer, which was wrong. So addition of a vertical grip makes it an AOW. Don't put vertical grips on pistols, with or without braces.
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    If I'm remembering it right, the addition of a vertical fore-grip was never kosher if it was a pistol, braced or not. Now...the angled fore-grips that Magpul had weren't technically vertical, so they didn't meet the legal definition and were okay. At least until someone decided that they weren't.. in that case.. dog shooting time.

    I feel sorry for the manufacturers and distributors. SURPRISE we can't sell these until the dust settles.
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    Dear ATF,
    My folding brace pistol and my adjustable length pistol brace fit nicely under my trench coat even with
    the vertical fore grips installed. I am writing this letter to make sure that all of this is legal and to thank
    you for allowing me to carry in this manner. Any information you can provide will put my mind at ease
    since I'm really just a wimp, but I want to be ALPHA some day.

    Sincerely and with nicest regards,

    W.O. Richard



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    The last thing the alphabet soup departments need are more letters.

    Stop writing letters. If you see someone composing an email or writing an actual letter, slap their fingers with a ruler until they stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esh21167 View Post
    Clarification. Apparently some thought if you put a brace on a pistol and its overall length was then over 26"', it was not concealable, so not a pistol any longer, which was wrong. So addition of a vertical grip makes it an AOW. Don't put vertical grips on pistols, with or without braces.
    Yep that is the way I understand this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottyb View Post
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    So while they are arguing about length of things and how to measure it a buddy at work just told me his grandfather had all his guns confiscated via Md red flag law. He had just won a court case against his niece who then turned around and declared she was worried he would shoot her. Buddy says she is a lying pill popping degenerate.

    Due process out the window, this just happened two days ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottyb View Post
    So while they are arguing about length of things and how to measure it a buddy at work just told me his grandfather had all his guns confiscated via Md red flag law. He had just won a court case against his niece who then turned around and declared she was worried he would shoot her. Buddy says she is a lying pill popping degenerate.

    Due process out the window, this just happened two days ago.
    It's working already

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    Am I missing something, I thought we were never allowed to measure the overall length from barrel end to stabilizing brace. I thought it was to the end of the last needed to function piece.

    Is this change only related to those who have put vertical foregrips claiming that it didnt meet the qualifications of pistol or rifle?

    I just always stayed away from vertical foregrips on anything that wasnt an actual rifle because I don't want no bullshit.

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    What if the vertical fore-grip keeps one from shouldering the brace?
    How about a folding vertical fore-grip?

    Yeah- stop writing letters and emails people.
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