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    Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics*

    Well, I finally bit the bullet and bought one of the "Bulgarian" "Tula" kits from Sportsman's Guide earlier this week. Aside from the the magazine, which is unmarked and has some moderate pitting, the kit is in great shape. All the serials match(A r 1403), except for that on the front trunnion, selector lever, and the recoil spring number (which is lined out). It seems to me that my kit was refinished, refurbed and (probably excepting the front trunnion, which I think was just randomly tossed in with the kit by the importer after barrel removal) was thrown back together by the refurb facility with whatever worked and put in storage.

    I would appreciate some assistance in figuring out the maker and era of the components so I can figure out exactly what I'm dealing with. From what research I have been able to do, it appears that the kit would be more accurately described as an "Izhevsk" kit because I'm thinking the only thing "Tula" is the buttstock, front trunnion, and rear sight leaf. Not a huge deal for me, though I was hoping for something more substantially of Tula manufacture.

    If the kit is mostly era correct and we can figure out what vintage that era is, right now I'm thinking I might just try to find an appropriately dated Izhevsk trunnion and have the thing built up as a "correct-as-refurbed" Izhevsk AKM.

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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    that's a nice looking kit
    i think i have the lower handguard that matches your buttstock
    *still looking for a 70's era izzy akm barrel trunnion*

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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    I think you're right, most parts that I can ID look Izhevsk, but I think it's roughly era correct, which is more than you can say about many of these. The handguards look like they could be Tula and the color match is really nice. That was a good draw on the wood. I don't think the rear sight is Tula though.

    Here are 4 RSB. The leftmost one is Tula:


    I would say build it as is. It will look right for a late 60's AKM and the wood is great. You could spend a lot of money getting an Izhevsk trunnion, stock set, et c., and still have a non-matching AKM at the end of it.

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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    You'll need to swap out the fsb for a machined one if you are going for era correct and also the rear trunnion should be the donut hole type i believe.
    I can't tell about GT, need a pic of the "tooth" to figure that out...nevermind, I see the pic of the gas tube...I cat make it out on my phone
    *still looking for a 70's era izzy akm barrel trunnion*

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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    can you guys tell if the front sight block and the gas return block are Izzy or Tula? If so- how?

    nice looking kit! The wood looks pretty good.
    WTB: late 60's Izzy Laminate NOS furniture,
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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    Thanks guys!

    Regarding the rear sight leaf, I was equating the open topped "4" with Tula for some reason but I see that isn't correct. With the vast majority of the kit being Izhevsk, it's nice to see that the rear leaf is too.

    In addition to the handguards am I correct in the understanding that the butt stock is Tula? What are the tell-tale signs indicating if the wood is Tula or Izhevsk? The stock set seems to match up pretty well (with the handguards having more of a sheen) so I am pleased with them, regardless of manufacture.

    Is the FSB cast? I think it is but I'm still learning how to tell. When would it have been from? Early/Mid/Late '70s?

    When would the rear trunnion in this kit be from? What would be correct one look like?

    I know people usually call these "Tula kits" so is this kit unusual in being almost totally Izhevsk? If not, would there not also be Izhevsk trunnions floating around?

    Also, if this kit is substantially era correct, what era is that? '68-'69? Earlier, later?

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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    Oh yeah, and one more question:

    The trunnion appears to have another number in addition to the serial number. Is this typical? The number is located on the horizontal flat rail surface roughly above the location of the serial.

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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    Yes, it's on all Russian (and other) AK's, even milled AK's. It's the forging code for the trunnion. Identifies the forging before the rifle is ever made.
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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsburg
    In addition to the handguards am I correct in the understanding that the butt stock is Tula?
    Yes, your buttstock is definitely Tula, and a very nice example in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsburg
    Would there not also be Izhevsk trunnions floating around?
    AFA where are the Izzy truinnions, that depends on if these parts were just Izzy made replacements, or in fact they were Izzy rifles that got cut up at some point along with the Tula's. Nobody knows for sure. I'm beginning tp think the Izzy parts were added as replacements when the rifles were refurbed bacause some of them are nmbered to the Tula parts that came with some kits, and the prefix codes are Tula known batch codes. Plus, the numbers were obviously not stamped at Tula.
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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    Thanks as always, Tantal!

    I'm a moron as I didn't even consider that these Izhevsk components could've been expressly made as replacements. So apart from the FSB and the rear trunnion, I could conceivably have this built up as a mostly era correct, completely and thoroughly refurbed Tula?

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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    You sure could.
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    Re: Sportsman's Guide Tula Kit- Need some help...*Lotsa pics

    Yeah, I was a little confused as to what to call this kit:

    a.) A refurbed 1968 Tula

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    b.) a late '60s(?) Izhevsk with a Tula trunnion.

 

 

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