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    A question about Type 56s from Vietnam...

    On another forum, I was exchanging messages with a guy who said that the Vietnamese sent some of their Type 56s to the Salvadorian FMLN guerrillas. He said the following of the rifles: "As for the Type-56 Chinese Ak's, Most were sanitized except for selector markings being in Chinese and the fact that most were of the earlier variant that had a sloped top rear section on the Top back of the receiver which was not of the original Russian design."

    Does anyone here know about those rifles? What years were they manufactured, and did they have machined or stamped receivers? and folding bayonets?

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    Some guy told you something that makes no sense.

    Why don't you ask him what he means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W. View Post
    Some guy told you something that makes no sense.

    Why don't you ask him what he means?
    "most were of the earlier variant that had a sloped top rear section on the Top back of the receiver which was not of the original Russian design."

    I was wondering if you might have know something about this. The receiver difference.

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    I did a simple google image search of Salvadorian FMLN guerrillas and there are several different variants of AKs but none are Chinese. Can you or your friend forward a picture?

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    A picture would be really nice. Trying to picture what a sloped top etc, etc would look like, or what is. Sorry.

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    Though there were others, the most common Type 56 used in Vietnam was the Milled receiver with folding spike bayonet. The early ones had Chinese selector marks. Later ones had L/D.

    There were also M22s, 56-1s with underfolder, and the 56 without bayonet.

    Stamped, I have never seen photos of them there.....

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    I've heard about them. You supposedly could fire 5.56 in them in a pinch if you ran out of ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xman View Post
    I did a simple google image search of Salvadorian FMLN guerrillas and there are several different variants of AKs but none are Chinese. Can you or your friend forward a picture?
    He doesn't have any pics. Sorry. But he said you could find them on google easily enough, if memory serves. Also are you familiar with the Institute for Research on Small Arms in International Security, Edward Ezell's organization? I'm asking because years ago, Lawrence J. Whelan went to El Salvador to examine some weapons that the Salvadoran government captured from the FMLN guerrillas. He authored several papers on the subject. Here is one of them: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...my/lhtpAybO8Bo

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    Google images shows a German side folder and what appears to be a North Korean as stated in that article. I see Chinese mags but no Chinese rifles. The article also has the wrong manufacture year for the German rifle.


    Can identify this rifle, North Korean?

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...photo/50423200
    Last edited by xman; 07-19-2019 at 07:45 AM.

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    "... most were of the earlier variant that had a sloped top rear section on the Top back of the receiver which was not of the original Russian design."

    I can't imagine what he meant by this, unless he's describing the T2 butt socket on back of the receiver. In that case, he's mistaken because only the Soviets produced that variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xman View Post
    Google images shows a German side folder and what appears to be a North Korean as stated in that article. I see Chinese mags but no Chinese rifles. The article also has the wrong manufacture year for the German rifle.


    Can identify this rifle, North Korean?

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...photo/50423200

    I think that EG manfacture date was just a typo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W. View Post
    "... most were of the earlier variant that had a sloped top rear section on the Top back of the receiver which was not of the original Russian design."

    I can't imagine what he meant by this, unless he's describing the T2 butt socket on back of the receiver. In that case, he's mistaken because only the Soviets produced that variant.
    He said the receiver cover was slanted more than normal.

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    "Vietnam" stories about weapons are often inaccurate and based on the limited knowledge of the weapons during the 1960's and early 1970's.
    Today the number of imports and collector and other knowledge has eradicated a lot of the old stories.
    But some stories still get told and repeated.

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    When I was there 65 66 we captured only Chinese with folding bayonets that were milled. I did not see any under folders just full wood stock. More common to capture was the SKS. Chinese, North Vietnamese and East German ones I saw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xman View Post
    Google images shows a German side folder and what appears to be a North Korean as stated in that article. I see Chinese mags but no Chinese rifles. The article also has the wrong manufacture year for the German rifle.


    Can identify this rifle, North Korean?

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...photo/50423200
    Russian Type 2.
    Looking for:
    Milled Bulgarian bake lite lower hand guard
    serial # 6567 and RSL.

    T3 Russian parts numbered 0851,6568,5963

    Tula AKM LHG #4198

    Tula AKM sight leaf MY 4198
    Chinese T56 or M22 front and rear stubs.
    have single cut T3 Russian deact early UF reciever to trade possibly.

 

 
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