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    Arsenal sight cant fix?

    First question: does Arsenal’s warranty/KVar still suck?

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    Is the correct way to fix an Arsenal sight cant to put the barrel in a vise and smack the top of the sight like in the many videos of fixing canted Wasr sights?



    Ordered an SLR-107FR from kvar. Was thrilled to see them in stock. I’ve been trying to get one for a couple years now. This will be my 3rd or 4th arsenal, none of mine have had canted sights before and I figure I can’t stay lucky forever.

    Just prepping myself in advance in case the front sight crooked.

    *A little cant I could probably live with, but when I can really see it looking thru sights like my wasr it just irritates me.
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    If it's within spec.....can be zero'd I don't think they'll cover it

    Never heard of smacking the sight with a hammer.

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    Well if the front sight was canted the fix would indeed be to move the front sight post.

    This is a decent video on it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20kJXtW7FFc

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    It makes me cringe when I hear people telling others to use a hammer on a sight that is pinned in place. You are not fixing anything, but you are bending the sight and risk damage. Those pins are in it for a reason.

    Usually front sight being canted is a looks thing, verifiable by shooting the rifle and seeing if it shoots to point of aim. I have found on a couple of rifles that removing the pins, centering the sight block and repinning usually results in the sight pin itself having to be moved dramatically off center. Makes me wonder if the barrel is straight in the receiver?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indykid View Post
    It makes me cringe when I hear people telling others to use a hammer on a sight that is pinned in place. You are not fixing anything, but you are bending the sight and risk damage. Those pins are in it for a reason.

    Usually front sight being canted is a looks thing, verifiable by shooting the rifle and seeing if it shoots to point of aim. I have found on a couple of rifles that removing the pins, centering the sight block and repinning usually results in the sight pin itself having to be moved dramatically off center. Makes me wonder if the barrel is straight in the receiver?
    Couldn't agree more. Accumulated tolerances/variations in components add up to create such situations. For me, it's about where the post is in the sight. If it's all the way to one side, I'd remove the pins and adjust like IndyKid said. If it's like 1/16" or so, I'd leave it alone.

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    Sounds good guys thanks. I see a lot of videos of people saying it’s “THE fix” and a lot of forum threads about wasrs and hitting the sights.

    Makes sense, they are pinned and you’re just bending a pinned FSB.

    I will just have to wait and see how the sights are, but I will leave them alone. If I can’t stand the misaligned sights (if they even are) I’ll just sell or trade it.

    I won’t hit it with a hammer. Glad I asked here before doing it.


    If I were to knock the pins out, center it, and put the pins back would it stay centered or revert to how it was originally pinned?


    Sorry if this is obvious or dumb. I see this enough on other forums that I started to wonder. Never considered it before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeps View Post
    First question: does Arsenal’s warranty/KVar still suck?
    They have not had to change their ways because of less competition due to decreasing supply and their ability to offer the best assortment of AK configurations. People also assume that their quality is the best simply because they're so expensive. Based on my personal experience, the quality of the work done in Nevada is horrible and the customer service is worse. Unfortunately, I'm an AK whore and a sucker for their offerings as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bret View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeps View Post
    First question: does Arsenal’s warranty/KVar still suck?
    They have not had to change their ways because of less competition due to decreasing supply and their ability to offer the best assortment of AK configurations. People also assume that their quality is the best simply because they're so expensive. Based on my personal experience, the quality of the work done in Nevada is horrible and the customer service is worse. Unfortunately, I'm an AK whore and a sucker for their offerings as a result.

    My thing is I really want a close AK103 clone and the Arsenal 107FR seems the closest. Im a sucker for that darn side folder trunnion.

    I see psa has em too but they have the wrong gas block for what I’d want to clone.



    I wish more companies used the 100 series trunnion personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeps View Post
    Sounds good guys thanks. I see a lot of videos of people saying it’s “THE fix” and a lot of forum threads about wasrs and hitting the sights.

    Makes sense, they are pinned and you’re just bending a pinned FSB.

    I will just have to wait and see how the sights are, but I will leave them alone. If I can’t stand the misaligned sights (if they even are) I’ll just sell or trade it.

    I won’t hit it with a hammer. Glad I asked here before doing it.


    If I were to knock the pins out, center it, and put the pins back would it stay centered or revert to how it was originally pinned?


    Sorry if this is obvious or dumb. I see this enough on other forums that I started to wonder. Never considered it before.
    Excellent question. I have a drill bit that is sized for the pin holes. After centering the sight, I run the drill through to mainly ream out the hole to allow the pins to be reinstalled without the sight moving. I have also seen some manufacturers use tapered pins, and find it unnerving that one pin might drift out right to left, and the other left to right. Be aware how the pins are driven out.

    I have found that using a punch holder for driving the pins out much easier than hand holding. I have less fear of missing the punch with a good hammer wack when using the punch holder instead of my fingers.

    Make sure the rifle is on a solid surface. I have found that just the absorption by a work bench can make it more difficult to drive the pins out. I put mine on my garage floor, with wood blocks supporting the rifle and front sight. The block supporting the sight has a hole part way into it to catch the pin as it comes out.

    And don't be afraid to ask questions. There are no dumb questions when you truly want to learn something, but beware of dumb answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indykid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeps View Post
    Sounds good guys thanks. I see a lot of videos of people saying it’s “THE fix” and a lot of forum threads about wasrs and hitting the sights.

    Makes sense, they are pinned and you’re just bending a pinned FSB.

    I will just have to wait and see how the sights are, but I will leave them alone. If I can’t stand the misaligned sights (if they even are) I’ll just sell or trade it.

    I won’t hit it with a hammer. Glad I asked here before doing it.


    If I were to knock the pins out, center it, and put the pins back would it stay centered or revert to how it was originally pinned?


    Sorry if this is obvious or dumb. I see this enough on other forums that I started to wonder. Never considered it before.
    Excellent question. I have a drill bit that is sized for the pin holes. After centering the sight, I run the drill through to mainly ream out the hole to allow the pins to be reinstalled without the sight moving. I have also seen some manufacturers use tapered pins, and find it unnerving that one pin might drift out right to left, and the other left to right. Be aware how the pins are driven out.

    I have found that using a punch holder for driving the pins out much easier than hand holding. I have less fear of missing the punch with a good hammer wack when using the punch holder instead of my fingers. <img src="https://www.theakforum.net/forums/images/smilies/wink.png" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />

    Make sure the rifle is on a solid surface. I have found that just the absorption by a work bench can make it more difficult to drive the pins out. I put mine on my garage floor, with wood blocks supporting the rifle and front sight. The block supporting the sight has a hole part way into it to catch the pin as it comes out.

    And don't be afraid to ask questions. There are no dumb questions when you truly want to learn something, but beware of dumb answers. <img src="https://www.theakforum.net/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="https://www.theakforum.net/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="https://www.theakforum.net/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="https://www.theakforum.net/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.png" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
    Thanks for all the info.

    I’m definitely interested in learning all I can about these rifles.

    I’m used to occasionally difficult to remove taper pins on ARs, and don’t think the AK ones would be much of a challenge.




    ——

    So what I’m gathering is:

    Whacking the sight with a soft mallet is NOT the way to go, and will just bend the sight pins. (I also question how long it would even stay straight if it’s just bent pins?)

    The method I should use is to:

    Remove pins, center front sight, get drill bit that fits correctly and gently redrill the holes, then reinsert pins.

    (I imagine I’m only removing a small amount from one side since it’s just a slight angle I’m changing)


    Next questions:

    Arsenal front sight pins are not tapered correct?

    And does anyone know off hand the correct drill bit size to redrill the front sight pin holes?


    ——

    Hopefully the rifle shows up with a FSB that is just centered. Haha would make all this easier.


    But this has definitely eased my stress. I’ve actually been stressed about this, as I’ve only bought used Arsenal’s before and haven’t had a canted sight yet.

    Really hope it shows up perfect. But I’m sure I’ll be happy with it. &#x1f642;

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    Got the arsenal. Seems fine. Definitely over worried about the issue.

    I figured I can’t get lucky with non canted Arsenal’s forever haha.

    I will keep the info I learned here in mind for future AKs.

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    Easiest way to a centered front sight post.
    https://texasshooterssupply.com/prod...-up-to-1000-m/
    Actually is a great leaf, very precise but you'll need a thinner RPK style front post, let me get the micrometer to see the diameter of the one on my VEPR....

    Back, its 0.0511" thick.
    This should work, they even a ball end one that I may actually try.
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1323446743?pid=894724
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
    Easiest way to a centered front sight post.
    https://texasshooterssupply.com/prod...-up-to-1000-m/
    Actually is a great leaf, very precise but you'll need a thinner RPK style front post, let me get the micrometer to see the diameter of the one on my VEPR....

    Back, its 0.0511" thick.
    This should work, they even a ball end one that I may actually try.
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1323446743?pid=894724

    Wow! That’s cool! Thanks!


    Now, my Arsenal’s all I’ve 800m sights. Can I just knock out the pin and throw a 1000m sight on? Or is the entire rear sight base different?

    (The one thing I need for my 107FR to become my ak103 clone is a 1000m sight but I doubt I care enough to bother changing it. Just curious at this point; and since the link you sent is a 1000m)

 

 

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