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    The powers that be realize they don't have to go door to door to collect guns. That's a waste of time. Enough people will either turn them in or stash them away in the basement and never take them out again. Then when you drop dead of old age your brainwashed grandkids can turn them in for you. We are losing the long game on gun rights.

    I think some people take the "law abiding gun owner" thing a bit too far. Of course we aren't murderers, theives, rapist scum, but that shouldn't mean congress critters (Or state legislatures for that matter) can just write some words on paper and now we will all forget the tradition of freedom that has endured for 250 years.

    Of course i'm not saying you are anti-2a if you aren't shipping machine guns across the country while announcing it to all online. But refusing to ship parts kits, mag parts kits etc.... basically things that are absolutely legal or at worst a grey area where you are taking on virtually no risk by shipping it is just doing Bloomberg and Co's work for them. They didn't even have to try all that hard to get you to abandon your solidarity with fellow gun owners, a group that is under seige from most of our own government at this point.

    I'm sure in a couple years when Texas and the southwest flips blue and their gun laws start to look more and more like California some of you will begin to understand this. You cant just move away. And this is coming from someone who did move to a freer state. The laws followed me. VT is still lightyears better than NY, basically we only have some stupid and unenforcable 10rd mag limit that grandfathered in all the old ones, bit STILL... the way things are going its only going to get worse. In 20-30 years we probably will be more like NY. If we don't change direction we will get where we are going.

    The 2nd amendment is a right that needs to be fought for, i'm not saying necessarily violently, we all hope we don't need to go that far. But if you are too risk averse to take on the MINISCULE amount of risk that you are exposing yourself to by shipping something like a parts kit to ANY state, then we will lose our 2A rights if the best we can come up with is cowards like you!

    I always get a chuckle when I hear about talk of revolution and "you can take my guns bullets first" in the gun community. I only wish it were so... all the evidence points to us being weak and easy to push around.
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    Very well stated and exactly straight to the point I love it. As you stated oh yea if the liberals get there way( just look at Bloomberg ) all of us law abiding citizens will have nothing more that a brick to defend ourselves. History just repeating itself once again like WW2 wasn’t a hard enough lesson, removing firearms from your citizens makes there agenda so much easier. That god I raised my children to understand patriotism and I just pray they do the same with my grandchildren. Shame on some saying a risk of getting into trouble over sending a item but when the ban officers come to your states you will understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highpower View Post
    I can't speak for other states than Commiefornia, but the paperwork that a person has to file to get firearms into that socialist paradise is somewhat convoluted and just generally a pain in the butt.

    And a Money looser when you figure in the time it takes to send ANY firearm to the Land of Fruits, Nuts, & Flakes.
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    I can’t speak on Cali but I do know at least in Md FFL’s are able to receive firearms sent from a individual ( if they choose too ) how ever for me I’m looking at parts. I have been unable to find the gas tube locking lever for this 1964 Romi kit that I’m building and honestly didn’t post a ad wanting due to all no shipping posts to ban states that I see. It was easier for me to order one from GunParts Corp and I’ll find one later to closely or match the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Nobody View Post
    Meaning what man?
    One weird occurrence and you wright off several millions people because of the dirt they were born and raised on and happen to still live on and choose to fight for?
    This thread quite frankly has revealed who a bunch of you really are and it’s sad
    2A doesn’t have a chance in the face of a real attack nation wide ... half of you are going to fold day one to not run a foul of illegal laws.
    Bullshit. If you want to try and bring the full wrath of a State government that has ever changing laws, be my guest, but don't criticize people who decide not to play Russian roulette and possibly face heavy fines, confiscation or even jail time by avoiding the situation altogether. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; more people than you want to believe in States like New York and Kalifornia who are 2nd Amendment supporters don't bother voting because they think they cannot win, this is a FACT. If they will not stand up for themselves, then why the hell should I stand up for them and possibly put myself in a no win legal situation? They live there so they can fix the issue themselves instead of crying online about how their States have gone full retard.
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    Laziness, fear, and stupidity.

    Brought to you by the same people who claim to be “Patriots.”

    Take the clown in the post above mine as an example. This is the type of cuck who will turn a blind eye out of fear.... and them scream and cry later this year when the fascists in his own state push their anti-2A agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam6955 View Post
    Laziness, fear, and stupidity.

    Brought to you by the same people who claim to be “Patriots.”

    Take the clown in the post above mine as an example. This is the type of cuck who will turn a blind eye out of fear.... and them scream and cry later this year when the fascists in his own state push their anti-2A agenda.
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    I can’t speak for anyone else but I did go to every single rally going as far to making a trip to Washington DC to see my elected officials. I’ve already been to war and didn’t cower there nor will I here. If you don’t want to sell to a ban state it’s yours do as you will but as promised ALL of us will see liberals pushing more and more gun laws. As I have said many times in this post, I have never asked a single person to do a single illegal thing nor will I. It still comes down to the FACT where is the issue in sending someone that loves where they live but can’t stand the State a simple part like the Romi parts I just purchased. I’ve seen death unfortunately had to take life as well and if anyone here thinks I’m a coward or will ever give up the fight your sadly mistaken even if it costs me my own. Think I’m kidding send someone to my address and we shall see how I just hand over my rights after serving the COUNTRY I LOVE and have my youth as well as my mind for

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    I also don’t quite understand loosing time and money on shipping to say Cali. Having finances I have never cared personally for additional charges if whoever I’ve purchased something has to do extra for whatever reason to ship to me be it there time in doing paperwork or whatever but shipping is the same doesn’t matter what state your shipping too. Wouldn’t it just be easier to say addition charges for certain states and leave that up to the purchaser if the item isn’t illegal in there state? That way if your so worried about the time it takes to do paperwork you can now say at least I just got paid for my time. I just replaced both front wheel bearings, calipers, brake pads and master cylinder for a person in need charging them a big FAT ZERO of course other than there parts needed to do the repair. Been doing things like for years for folks down on there luck

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    My last rant for the day, so much I I I I in today’s times what ever happened to good folks helping good folks. Maybe where I was raised old school its just who I am or maybe some are so occupied about me me me they have lost sight of what life should really be about

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    Quote Originally Posted by philippes View Post
    The concern is potential liability. If I were to ship a magazine to a state where they're banned, the mag is then used in a crime, and the state's attorney in that state decides to prosecute the person that shipped the mag into the state... That's the concern.

    As an FFL, I'm registered with the California DOJ and generate approval letters (as required by state law) for anything shipped to FFLs there. It's a hassle, but I do it. A lot of FFLs simply won't ship to California because of the state registration requirement.

    There are also concerns about shipping 80% lowers to states like New Jersey, for example.

    The issue is the off chance one of those innocuous parts is used in a crime that is then politicized and comes back to hit the person that shipped those parts to the buyer.

    Manufacturers are basically protected by the federal law, but even that is under threat right now. The average Joe selling parts across state lines has absolutely no protection if a politician or lawyer smells potential blood in the water.

    That's why so many sellers avoid so-called "ban states." -- justifiably or not.

    Regardless, in my case, I do everything I can to work with people in ban states within the letter of the law. As a Virginian -- I think I speak for all Virginian's right now -- we've never felt more of a kindred spirit with all of the ban states. We're fighting for everyone here at this moment. And we intend to win back the Second Amendment by hook or by crook.
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    im a dealer in California. One of the biggest issues other FFLs have is out CFLC letter thats required to receive or transfer a firearm to a customer. You have to register with CAL DOJ then for every single firearm you need a approval letter to send them in. Imnot allowed to transfer a gun without that letter in the paperwork. Lots of dealers say its not worth their time to do that..thats one big reason people hate California...well that and the roster..and the compliance issues about certain types of rifles...
    Don't forget media and politicians destroying someones name for political purposes. You can never get your good name back after that. That has happened many times. Then if you are a business owner, you will wrongly lose customers because of this crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMomma View Post
    Bullshit. If you want to try and bring the full wrath of a State government that has ever changing laws, be my guest, but don't criticize people who decide not to play Russian roulette and possibly face heavy fines, confiscation or even jail time by avoiding the situation altogether. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; more people than you want to believe in States like New York and Kalifornia who are 2nd Amendment supporters don't bother voting because they think they cannot win, this is a FACT. If they will not stand up for themselves, then why the hell should I stand up for them and possibly put myself in a no win legal situation? They live there so they can fix the issue themselves instead of crying online about how their States have gone full retard.
    Sorry but I fail to see how you get to all that from what I said.
    The facts are
    State laws don’t apply to other states when we’re talking privet sales between individuals.
    Not talking firearms sales.
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    Many people are now refusing to sell 50 state legal non ffl items to ban state people << this is the real pisser.
    As in ... I want to buy your parts kit but you won’t send it to California. Why man .... apex aoa any of them will ,how is it your in a jackpot for sending me a parts kit?
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    Sorry but assuming all firearm owners in ca - ny , a combined pool of 60 million people don’t vote is ridiculous.
    Im out voted if the tally is to be believed in a fully D controlled state of 39 million ... the laws aren’t my fault so why hang me on the cross?

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    I don’t see the issue with parts or kits but that’s just me. UNLESS the item your shipping is illegal then sure but again we’re mostly talking about PARTS here not asking anyone to ship something knowing they are going to be taking part of something illegal. Well most of us not saying all but aren’t most of them criminals to begin with &#x1f923;

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    This is what "shall not be infringed" looks like. Some laws covering firearms for FFL holders. I was an FFL holder for 7 years. A FFL only needs to know if a gun is legal to transfer to another state, not county or city laws for out of state transfers. The State Laws and Published Ordinance book has phone numbers for each state's attorney general's office to call to see if a gun is legal in that state. Some attorney general offices transferred me to the state police to answer gun questions. You would think the attorney general would know the laws since that is their job. So much for a Constitutional right.

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    We have HQL license we have to get to purchase handguns now. When they system was in its early life for some reason whenever I would attempt to download my DD214 the system would crash on me. I used a PC, Phone laptop went to FFL shops all had the same issue for me. So I called as well and as you stated I was directed to call the Md State Police, from which they told me I just needed to come in to do the paperwork old school style. The only complaint I had there was now you only have I believe 36 hours after you’ve been fingerprinted to actually do this. I’m my case I’ve been fingerprinted at least 4 times for my various licenses as well as military. Didn’t make any sense to me as I’ve been a licensed collector in Maryland since 1992

 

 
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