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    I'm quite fond of Colt ARs, but it takes extreme willpower to keep from moving beyond having a few nice examples to full-blown collecting - an endless and very expensive chase.

    [I liked the original them of this thread too, thanks for fixing it up 22many!]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiorentino View Post
    I've only had this thing for a few months, but instantly became one of my favorite all-time firearms that I've owned after the first range trip. I'm definitely gonna try to grab an AR-15A4 soon to go with it.

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    As for handguns, my Colt New Agent is my primary carry gun in the summer. I can't even begin to guess the amount of rounds that have been through this gun, with absolutely no failures. I cannot say that about any of the other carry 1911's myself or my friends have owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22many View Post
    Dam dude!!! Nice lineup! Im jelly!!



    Thats the question. Years ago there wasnt many options for quality. Keeping in mind that im not talking about ar15s but firearms in general. Colt had questionable quality for sometime but it seems that they worked that out. However other than their name and history, imo your paying for the name.

    Although, i dont know of one person that wouldn’t want a colt in their collection.
    I'm not talking about a collection. Just a tool for a job. An F150, a Camry, a caravan. Something that you get to do a job because you know it will.

    I don't know what they had before, I wasn't around for that.
    I always look at service first, then name. If HiPoints had been issued and used like Glocks I'd probably be rocking a HiPoint.

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    So how does a Sig or Radical Firearms compare to Colt? SIG M400 was chosen by Philadelphia and Detroit swat. Sig is making rifles for India and some for the U.S. Army next generation squads weapon contract which is in a new 6.8mm caliber composite cased ammo. Radical Firearms was chosen to supply Brazil's police and security forces. A lot of LEOs buy Radical.

    Sig contract

    https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...pons-contract/

    New Army caliber

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...ed-ammunition/

    Radical Firearms supplies Brazil police security forces

    https://www.militarytimes.com/off-du...curity-forces/
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    Maybe its time to see if I can find a basic Colt M4 AR now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    So how does a Sig or Radical Firearms compare to Colt? SIG M400 was chosen by Philadelphia and Detroit swat. Sig is making rifles for India and some for the U.S. Army next generation squads weapon contract which is in a new 6.8mm caliber composite cased ammo. Radical Firearms was chosen to supply Brazil's police and security forces. A lot of LEOs buy Radical.

    Sig contract

    https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...pons-contract/

    New Army caliber

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...ed-ammunition/

    Radical Firearms supplies Brazil police security forces

    https://www.militarytimes.com/off-du...curity-forces/
    Pretty much poop. Ok maybe complete poop is to harsh but.....

    Sig is not the same Sig as in Europe. They are two different companies that share a past history and designs. However, how they implement those designs are very different. SigUSA or whatever it's called now is much more focused on civilian sales and it shows in their quality. Civilians don't need to and are not going to demand military style testing. So they can get away with cutting corners. I would say the peak of this was around 2010/11 when the Sig 556 came out in 7.62x39. MASSIVE problems because Sig become so lazy that they figured who gives a shit, civilians will never know. They had rail misalignment, rails that were milled off center, plastic locking tabs for use with steel AK mags! Genius! Feeding issues, extraction issues. If this wasn't the poster gun for penny pinching and corners cutting dunno what is. It was so bad that all the gun stores around here had shelves full of these rifles with the Sig "reconditioned" band. Meaning they all had issues and went back to the factory for "fixes". None of these issues were found in the Swiss rifles. At one point their 357sig handguns were cracking frames around the mag release. And what was really evident that Sig went all civilian was that they had almost 30 different variations of each model gun. That is the epitome of pandering to civilians.

    To be fair they have gotten better, but still have issues with some models, but my, and many others, trust in Sig has completely disappeared. I still buy and use old German and Swiss Sig's but want nothing to do with anything new.

    As for Brazil.......so what. 3rd world country buying 3rd world guns. As of recently Brazil was still issuing Tauruses and 100 year old Madsens. I mean it's a cool gun but not something I'd want as a cop/SWAT guy. They're issued to cops on narcotics raids in the slums of Rio. The only good firearm to come out of Brazil was their FAL. I mean are we really going to look hard at what Bangladesh or Somalia issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Pretty much poop. Ok maybe complete poop is to harsh but.....

    Sig is not the same Sig as in Europe. They are two different companies that share a past history and designs. However, how they implement those designs are very different. SigUSA or whatever it's called now is much more focused on civilian sales and it shows in their quality. Civilians don't need to and are not going to demand military style testing. So they can get away with cutting corners. I would say the peak of this was around 2010/11 when the Sig 556 came out in 7.62x39. MASSIVE problems because Sig become so lazy that they figured who gives a shit, civilians will never know. They had rail misalignment, rails that were milled off center, plastic locking tabs for use with steel AK mags! Genius! Feeding issues, extraction issues. If this wasn't the poster gun for penny pinching and corners cutting dunno what is. It was so bad that all the gun stores around here had shelves full of these rifles with the Sig "reconditioned" band. Meaning they all had issues and went back to the factory for "fixes". None of these issues were found in the Swiss rifles. At one point their 357sig handguns were cracking frames around the mag release. And what was really evident that Sig went all civilian was that they had almost 30 different variations of each model gun. That is the epitome of pandering to civilians.

    To be fair they have gotten better, but still have issues with some models, but my, and many others, trust in Sig has completely disappeared. I still buy and use old German and Swiss Sig's but want nothing to do with anything new.

    As for Brazil.......so what. 3rd world country buying 3rd world guns. As of recently Brazil was still issuing Tauruses and 100 year old Madsens. I mean it's a cool gun but not something I'd want as a cop/SWAT guy. They're issued to cops on narcotics raids in the slums of Rio. The only good firearm to come out of Brazil was their FAL. I mean are we really going to look hard at what Bangladesh or Somalia issues?
    I remember a while back seeing Sig handguns with reconditioned bands on them. That must be why.
    Radical is made in Texas not a third world country. I read an article not too long ago that an indian reservation police department in America bought Radical Firearms. I have only recently heard of Radical and don't know much about them.
    Madsen has to be very unwieldy to use by cops. Brazil does a serious problem with crime and shootings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMomma View Post
    Maybe its time to see if I can find a basic Colt M4 AR now.
    6920 is a grand now.
    Was $800 a couple weeks ago.
    They're only gonna go up

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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    Radical is made in Texas not a third world country. I read an article not too long ago that an indian reservation police department in America bought Radical Firearms. I have only recently heard of Radical and don't know much about them.
    Madsen has to be very unwieldy to use by cops. Brazil does a serious problem with crime and shootings.
    I meant that they're a hobby grade manufacturer. If you're the guy that has owned rifle X for a decade and shot less than a case of ammo then it's for you. Let's face it, the avg owner doesn't shoot much, certainly not enough to find issues unless there was a problem already. Brazil or Indian reservation police are not ones I'd consider when making a purchase. Probably not the ones to have the budget to do a lot of testing or demand a lot of testing be done. Place like my local PD with it's 23 officers isn't going to go to a manufacturer and ask for a bunch of rifles to test putting 50k rounds through each. Instead they'll probably go with a known name that matches their price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    I meant that they're a hobby grade manufacturer. If you're the guy that has owned rifle X for a decade and shot less than a case of ammo then it's for you. Let's face it, the avg owner doesn't shoot much, certainly not enough to find issues unless there was a problem already. Brazil or Indian reservation police are not ones I'd consider when making a purchase. Probably not the ones to have the budget to do a lot of testing or demand a lot of testing be done. Place like my local PD with it's 23 officers isn't going to go to a manufacturer and ask for a bunch of rifles to test putting 50k rounds through each. Instead they'll probably go with a known name that matches their price point.

    So what do you think of Philly and Detroit swat going with Sig? You said there were problems but they have to have some reliability testing to be used by swat. At least I would hope so.
    I read an article about ARs and the low cost ones do not hold up in shooting classes. Sorry about remembering details on articles I read. I read a lot about guns, news and my hobbies. So if I don't save an article, after I while I become fuzzy on details.
    And by the way, I am not trying to bash Colt. Just trying to learn more about ARs. I would not mind having a 6920. I should have bought one a while back. I also like the FN 15.
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    Daniel Defense and BCM will fill the gap left by Colt and for the most part run Colt out of ever returning to the AR business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    So what do you think of Philly and Detroit swat going with Sig? You said there were problems but they have to have some reliability testing to be used by swat. At least I would hope so.
    I read an article about ARs and the low cost ones do not hold up in shooting classes. Sorry about remembering details on articles I read. I read a lot about guns, news and my hobbies. So if I don't save an article, after I while I become fuzzy on details.
    And by the way, I am not trying to bash Colt. Just trying to learn more about ARs. I would not mind having a 6920. I should have bought one a while back. I also like the FN 15.
    I don't think anything of it. Detroit has it reasons. Maybe got a great deal on something they otherwise couldn't afford. Maybe it made sense for Sig to sell/lease to Detroit. I remember reading a few years ago how they have so much money issues that some detectives have been known to take the bus to crime scenes because there weren't enough running cars to take. In once case they have been leasing a Chrysler 300M for so long they basically paid for two of them. In a case like this Sig could end up making more money by leasing out rifles (if that's a thing).

    Philly I don't know. It may be just what's allowed to be purchased by officers. As far as I know Philly PD issues only Glock 17 however, all other Glocks are allowed as long as the officers pay for their own gun and ammo (40sw, 45acp). This may also be supplemental

    What I do know about Philly PD is that they hold onto everything for a long long time. I know they have Colts from their Gov purchases and they're definitely not getting rid of them. They still allow (issued, not purchased) 38cal revolvers and I saw just recently one carrying a model 10 on an old swivel holster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMomma View Post
    Maybe its time to see if I can find a basic Colt M4 AR now.
    Getting harder to find the basic. Most places are out. I found two places that have them for sale that are not auction sites. I like the looks of the 6920 Magpul also, either black or FDE.
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    Colt A4's are out of stock everywhere I've looked online.
    Actually wanted another one to keep stock and in the black as a collector piece.
    But regardless what happens with production or value, this Colt will always be my go-to rifle. Never baby'd, but never abused.

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    I do know of a local shop with a NIB 6720 for $750 that I'm bout to jump on.
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    The Colt's will be on Gunbroker soon.
    30% mark-up.
    Mini-panic begins.
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