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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeZulu View Post
    Just wait 'til they start offering rewards to people who supply information that lead to successful red flag seizures. Don't think for a SECOND that this will never happen.
    Brown shirts make a come back.
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    This happened recently. Another version of swatting. A kid created a fake Instagram account to make it look like a different kid to get him in trouble. Kid used fake account to threaten to shoot up a school. Charges were dropped against the one kid but he is still not allowed back in school.

    https://www.whio.com/news/local/char...PTRswjbZ7AXNM/
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    Quote Originally Posted by maus45 View Post
    Ambler just north of Philly what do you expect. Plus channel 6 Action News.
    It's 20 min from me and minutes from where friends live.

    What do I expect? A better story. Like why this happened. Certainly this wasn't a secret. Not like his family didn't know. Not agreeing with it but there may be more to the story.

    Philly isn't even Philly like people think it is and the suburbs are certainly not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    There is never a good reason to deal with family that way.
    You really have to be damned careful who you casually talk to, who you have private conversations with and who you let know you have guns, stored food and money at home.
    Very few people wont sell you out, as the pressure about a gun confiscation rises there will be even fewer.
    This^

    My dad, who was raised behind the iron curtain, instilled a healthy sense of STFU in me! Plus I'm just not a big talker, especially in company I don't know and with modern electronic privacy intrusions ....combined makes me very guarded about my private life.

    If I'm around people talking guns/politics/religion and I don't know them I don't get involved. As far as I'm concerned I know shit about the subject and completely uninterested. I don't feel the need to share about my newest purchase of printer paper and guns/politics are no different. And I'm glad my family is all like that, being brought up similarly because of being raised in the same atmosphere.... don't talk personal stuff to authorities and keep everything in the family. No except my sister even has Facebook, not even my 18 and 21 year old cousins. And my sister uses a different name and doesn't involve us in her FB. It's mainly to talk to friends.

    I have a few close friends that are into guns and outside of a few gun forums they are the only people I talk guns too. Still no politics though.
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    When I got my FFL,.I was pretty impressed what ATF did know about my purchases.


    End of story.


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    Years ago some time well after 4th of July a guys kid was lighting off fireworks in his back yard.Of course here in Mass that is illegal. The cops came and the kid said the fireworks were in the basement. The cops went in and discovered his fathers shotgun rack full of very expensive shotguns. Well they figured they should confiscate them till Dad got home. They tossed them in trunk of the cruiser and called his dad. When he finally got the guns back they were all banged up from being miss handled by the cops. They had no business going into the house without calling the parents. No charges filed but that did not help the guys guns out.
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    They're not going to have any respect for your rights, so why should they respect your property they are illegally seizing?

    Even if you've done nothing wrong and have no intentions of doing such a thing, it's well past time to take some prudent steps to secure your property.
    If you think "No one would turn me in.", you might want to go to youtube and look at some interrogation techniques and interrogations, the weakest link is going to "Pop".
    Good example,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZv3z7FOt0
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    I don't know how any of those cases turned out but those were coerced confessions if they got anything out of them. Any lawyer worth his salt would get those tossed in court. Bottom line you never discuss anything with police without a lawyer present, especially in an interrogation room. Even if a cop approaches you in the casually street just say "sorry, I don't answer questions." Once you assert your 5th amendment right, they can no longer ask you anything, although many will try. Keep in mind that the first thing they're going to say to pressure when you decline to cooperate is that you'll be locked up for a long time waiting on a lawyer to be assigned. Just say "OK, I'll see you then" and go back to your cell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeZulu View Post
    I don't know how any of those cases turned out but those were coerced confessions if they got anything out of them. Any lawyer worth his salt would get those tossed in court. Bottom line you never discuss anything with police without a lawyer present, especially in an interrogation room. Even if a cop approaches you in the casually street just say "sorry, I don't answer questions." Once you assert your 5th amendment right, they can no longer ask you anything, although many will try. Keep in mind that the first thing they're going to say to pressure when you decline to cooperate is that you'll be locked up for a long time waiting on a lawyer to be assigned. Just say "OK, I'll see you then" and go back to your cell.
    Here's the thing with all of that is what if they aren't going to charge the guy they're questioning?
    They want you, not the guy being interrogated. They just use him up, drop some charges on some other stuff so he rolls over on you. Signed statements, lots of details, he's going to roll over on you so he gets his life back.

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    Never… N E V E R, under any circumstances go into any questioning without a lawyer. If you listen to the narration in that video you can see they will ALWAYS apply covert coercive tactics to gain their desired intelligence. The first few clips demonstrated more belligerent techniques, and those are the confessions that a lawyer can with relative ease get thrown out. In the case of Russell Williams, they were gentle, coaxing maneuvers. That dude was guilty as sin and IMO should be executed with a blow torch but the simple fact that he declined legal counsel during the interrogation is what cost him. The guy Williams was up against was highly trained specialist. The tricks they know are mind boggling. They touched on this material in SERE school but there's volumes and volumes of information out there to be absorbed. Fascinating stuff.

    In the US anyway, once you assert your right to remain silent, whoever is grilling you can no longer ask you any questions. The cops get the lion's share of their convictions from people who merely choose to run their mouths. Along with the 1st, 2d, and 4th Amendments, the 5th is one of the most important on a daily basis.
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    Just ran across this coincidently, which both proves the point and gives any in here interested the chance to pick up a pretty cool example of inert Combloc ordnance. Kommandostore just got dummy Bulgarian landmines in stock. Perfectly legal. Judging by the photo in the OP the guy who just got fucked by his family and the cops in PA had no less than 2 inert landmines in his collection.

    https://kommandostore.com/products/b...-assembly-used

    Buyer beware- If the cops or the media get a look at one of these things in your house, you'll automatically be accused of "hoarding bombs" and committed to mental health services.

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    I haven’t been able to find any follow-up reports. Anybody know status of this lynching?

    I suppose it won’t make the news if they release him without charges and dump his collection back out onto his lawn.

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    I didn't see an update but the police did acknowledge that "most guns were collectable in nature"

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    Ok, so no pending charges?

    That must mean that the county bomb squad, the FBI, the ATF, and the Dept. of Defense (WTF?) couldn't find anything illegal in the guy's collection.

    They should say that in their mealy-mouthed press release.

    Before I liquidated my collection, it looked much like the one pictured. I suspect a lot of members have similar interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W. View Post
    Ok, so no pending charges?

    That must mean that the county bomb squad, the FBI, the ATF, and the Dept. of Defense (WTF?) couldn't find anything illegal in the guy's collection.

    They should say that in their mealy-mouthed press release.

    Before I liquidated my collection, it looked much like the one pictured. I suspect a lot of members have similar interests.
    At the time of the letter. Now, idk!

 

 
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