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    Dayton, Ohio

    Ohio Governor Mike DeWine is pushing for red flag laws and background checks. DeWine wants to monitor social media to check for key words to catch people that are threatening. DeWine and Lt Governor Jon Husted gave a new conference today saying that it is not a red flag law. There will be due process calling it a safety protection order. A judge will have three days to act and the person served will go before the judge. Permanent order will need to be done in 14 days. The evening of the shooting there was a vigil held for the victims and people shouted at DeWine "do something". So a vigil turned political.


    Dayton shooting happened August 4 at 1:05 am in the Oregon District. Dayton police chief spoke at a news conference that evening. The shooter parked in a parking lot and walked 2 1/2 blocks. His sister and best friend were in the car with him. He separated from his sister and best friend. Later he shot both. His sister died and friend lived. There was six cops nearby. From the first shot until shooter was killed by cops took 24 seconds. One officer had a patrol rifle and a Sergeant had a shotgun. Each fired at least one round at shooter. The shooter was killed right in front of the entrance to a bar that was crowded. Some people went inside the bar to get away from the shooter. The shooter had a .223 rifle is what the police chief said. It was bought online from Texas and transferred to a store in Dayton. There was a shotgun too that was left in the car. Both were bought legally. The shotgun was bought from a different store in Dayton. The gun had many modifications. Shooter had two 100 round drums. A reporter asked if it was an AK or AR. The chief said "AR like". Shooter also had a ballistic vest and wore a mask.

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    I took these pictures of my TV during the news conference. It is an Anderson. Some people who knew the shooter said he had a hit list in high school. A friend of his talked about mental disorders and said he would not slander him.

    Later someone said the gun was a pistol with a stock attached. But someone else said it is a brace. Looks like a brace to me. I found out today that the shooter is a big leftists that supports Antifa and was going to vote for Elizabeth Warren. People looked at what he put on Twitter. Shooter also had a rape list. Shooter was in a pornogrind band that released songs about raping and killing women.

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    red flag laws area slippery slope and a bad idea.....if someone is dangerous enough to be red flagged on gun sales, then they are dangerous enough to be committed...period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axel Foley View Post
    red flag laws area slippery slope and a bad idea.....if someone is dangerous enough to be red flagged on gun sales, then they are dangerous enough to be committed...period.
    I agree. DeWine and Husted said at the news conference that there will be due process and they are following the constitution. They were basically saying the person who is served will be able to defend them self and that the police can't just take someone's guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    I agree. DeWine and Husted said at the news conference that there will be due process and they are following the constitution. They were basically saying the person who is served will be able to defend them self and that the police can't just take someone's guns.
    I don't believe that. "Red Flag Laws" are about stifling free speech and targeting political dissidents.

    And yeah - that's a brace on that Anderson Poverty Pony lower.
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    agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axel Foley View Post
    red flag laws area slippery slope and a bad idea.....if someone is dangerous enough to be red flagged on gun sales, then they are dangerous enough to be committed...period.
    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    I agree. DeWine and Husted said at the news conference that there will be due process and they are following the constitution. They were basically saying the person who is served will be able to defend them self and that the police can't just take someone's guns.
    Quote Originally Posted by russian_bot_5791 View Post
    I don't believe that. "Red Flag Laws" are about stifling free speech and targeting political dissidents.
    Imagine if someone disliked you and wanted to make your life miserable, tie you up in court for years and cost you thousands and thousands of dollars, someone like a jilted ex or an asshole neighbor?
    You're not going to have due process, they're going to come to your house and take your guns and hold them until you prove yourself not guilty or sane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    Imagine if someone disliked you and wanted to make your life miserable, tie you up in court for years and cost you thousands and thousands of dollars, someone like a jilted ex or an asshole neighbor?
    You're not going to have due process, they're going to come to your house and take your guns and hold them until you prove yourself not guilty or sane.
    Yup. In Canada, if you are divorced, you have to get your ex-wife's "permission" to own any kind of firearm. Multiple liberal politicians and about 99% of the media have openly called Trump a "white supremacist". It goes without saying what that makes you if you happened to have voted for the guy. (HINT: it makes you a "white supremacist").

    Trump pandering to these leftists and the media is completely revolting. For some reason, I think that somewhere deep down in his rapidly deteriorating brain that he thinks if he cucks hard enough that these people will somehow change their minds about him and start heaping him with praise. You would think he would know by this point that compromising with these people gets you nowhere.

    I can't believe there are other "conservative" politicians are getting behind these proposed laws, as well. That one-eyed shill and absolute fraud Dan Crenshaw looks like he is trying to become a resurrected zombie John McCain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averageman View Post
    Imagine if someone disliked you and wanted to make your life miserable, tie you up in court for years and cost you thousands and thousands of dollars, someone like a jilted ex or an asshole neighbor?
    You're not going to have due process, they're going to come to your house and take your guns and hold them until you prove yourself not guilty or sane.
    and another thing.....who decides what constitutes insanity? I mean, I think police academy 2 should have won an oscar an d I have naked pics of barbara striesand in my spank bank, but that doesnt make me a danger to myself or others. It gets to a point where te definition is kind of arbitrary.
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    I'm pretty sure depending on your State of course, they have all the tools they need currently to have handled these matters.
    I'm reminded of the school shooter in Florida who had a dozen visits to his home for his behavior, yet no one stepped up and did the work necessary to charge him for his crimes or have him determined to be unstable and a threat.
    A lot of this crap is lazy police and justice system work.
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    Tha USA is starting to look like the old Weimar Republic during post WWI Germany. Two political rivals jockeying for power. The Communists and the Nazis. Political unrest, gun registration later confiscation and ethnic cleansing. All in a period of less than 10 years. It looks like we are headed in the same direction.

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    I did not say I like what DeWine wants to do. I was just explaining what he said. DeWine did say 90% of people with mental problems are not violent. I would have to see the bill he wants passed before I say that I agree with it. Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley said she likes the red flag law DeWine wants. She is a Democrat and supports a ban on "assault weapons". I saw Whaley talking to the media and she sounds like she blames Trump for this. Nobody seems bothered about the government monitoring people's social media accounts for threats. Infringing on free speech. Who is going to determine what is a threat and define what is a threat. If someone disagrees with the government, is that a threat?

    FBI is taking over part of the investigation because of his interest in mass shootings and violent ideology. FBI wants to know interest in violent ideology, who had knowledge, and reason why. Dayton police are investigating the homicide part. Congressman Mike Turner now wants to ban military style weapons, wants magazine limits and wants red flag laws. Turner has been mostly pro gun with a 93% rating from the NRA.
    Last edited by 43m1garand; 08-07-2019 at 08:28 AM. Reason: added I did NOT say I like what DeWine wants to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post


    Later someone said the gun was a pistol with a stock attached. But someone else said it is a brace. Looks like a brace to me. I found out today that the shooter is a big leftists that supports Antifa and was going to vote for Elizabeth Warren. People looked at what he put on Twitter. Shooter also had a rape list. Shooter was in a pornogrind band that released songs about raping and killing women.
    Who cares who the evil [email protected] was going to vote for! He is dead and good riddance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Handler View Post
    Who cares who the evil [email protected] was going to vote for! He is dead and good riddance!
    Eh. He'll still vote Democrat.

    We all know the song and dance by now. Start bombarding your reps now because they'll try to ram things through while emotions are high. Dirtbags.
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    Wow...knee jerk reaction to a shooting, color me surprised. How long before the rage bait news or some twitter idiot comes with another story to be offended by? Oh, and did anyone notice that there was virtually no coverage of this attack?

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    Saw that.
    These clowns are getting bold.

    A few are willing to die, last thing we need is for them to have martyrs. FFS....
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