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    Quote Originally Posted by btr View Post
    The NRA has serious problems (Wayne needs to be fired asap) to but to say they do nothing is flat our wrong.

    One thing they did locally to me was help get my state to legalize short barreled rifles and shotguns a few years ago.

    They helped get Trump elected ($30 million dollars spent supporting his election) for one.

    Where do you think the Second Amendment would be with Hillary appointing Scalia's replacement?

    Yes the NRA is defending hicap mags and semiautomatic guns.... have you not been paying attention anything they have done for years?

    The Second Amendment would be [email protected]#ed if they fell apart. Does any other guns right group have influence regarding legislation in Congress????

    Leftists organizations are absolutely gleeful right now about the state of the NRA. And some gun people think this is a good thing!!!

    I'm pissed about that jackass Wayne laPierre, but we need to reform the NRA, not destroy it, and that can't be done by non-members.
    This is why I stay a member. There is a lot of good the NRA has done that people do not mention like all the programs they have. Media and Congress talk about the NRA more than any other gun group. The NRA also makes me mad about things they have done. Just like the Republican Party pisses me off almost constantly but I am still a registered Republican. I only donate to individual candidates and not the party. I seriously thought about becoming an Independent or Libertarian when Trump got the nomination. And no I did not vote for Trump.
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    The statement that the NRA is the best 2A organization because of history, size, etc. (compared to GOA for example) mirrors the argument that Trump was the best 2016 choice given the alternative (Hillary Clinton).

    But that's the reality of the world we live in. Yes, Trump was the best choice, but he's shown he's not a great friend of gun owners. Yes, the NRA is important because it is the biggest, most influential entity for gun owners, even though it's also showing it's not a great friend recently.

    Maybe I'm just stating the obvious. And as has already been mentioned, the NRA has probably an 80% membership that doesn't care about semi's, bumpstocks, suppressors, etc. So if the other 20% leave, does that send enough of a message? Or does it just make them less influential? And is that better or worse? No easy answer. Except that LaPierre should be gone.

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    Did anyone see this? I see this as a how dare you challenge us or acknowledge the fact we are guilty in selling you out. It’s the typical elitist mentality, regardless of whether the question was snarky he should have been diplomatic. His response speaks many volumes to me concerning the thought process and intentions of those at the higher levels. Wayne isn’t the sickness while he’s a large part of it. Ridding ourself of him wont solve the problem. You will just get a slightly less corrupt swamp turd that sells you out.
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    Never regretted my membership expire

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingnut308 View Post
    Never regretted my membership expire
    Agreed. Unless we can get rid of everyone in the top top roles of the NRA it needs to expire as an organization. That’s pretty much where I am at. The only sure way to end the betrayal is to end the NRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathan View Post
    Wow. That is ridiculous.
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    Maybe you guys should listen to nra radio/podcast or watch it on tv every once in a while. Then you probably wouldnít be talking so bad about it. Like it or hate it, they are vital in this fight and denying it is funny. It is the same old constant negativity from some people 😂
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    Here's the thing with that kind of attitude. It permits that kind of behavior to fester.

    It's like knowing your company is short-staffed and is unwilling or unable to hire more people, so some folks start slacking off and bending/breaking rules and when confronted about it they go "what are you going to do, fire me??"

    Yeah they're the biggest game in town and are the bogeyman the grabbers check under their beds for, but that doesn't mean they can't improve the way they handle things.
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    No, I wholeheartedly believe it has to change. I think it will.... it most people just give up on it without understanding that itís the biggest thing we have going for our rights yet they donít believe they are doing anything, as evidenced in the comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evolixsurf View Post
    No, I wholeheartedly believe it has to change. I think it will.... it most people just give up on it without understanding that it’s the biggest thing we have going for our rights yet they don’t believe they are doing anything, as evidenced in the comments.
    Your not wrong in that it has to change. I just don’t see how we effectively get there. There’s too many rotten turds in power to make meaningful changes with out firing everyone. 20 more years of status quo nra or status quo nra lite and the 2nd Amendment is gone anyways. The bar keeps sliding and they keep letting it. I’ll never believe we had to give in on anything to save the bigger picture of 2a. That defeatist bullshit and the road to death by 1000 cuts. The NRA has become a bigger threat to our rights than even the government because they wield the power they do. When they sign off on this shit it emboldens and sends the message that it’s okay to keep sliding the bar. In my life time machineguns went from being a right to not a right. The Brady law. The awb. Countless executive orders that banned things right up to trump. The nra was involved in writing the fix nics law trump signed last year. Since when do they write gun control laws in conjunction with politicians. It’s the wrong way. In most cases of what I mentioned they didn’t do a damn thing but fund raise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leviathan View Post
    2 reasons because a law was made by executive fiat and because the semi auto function of a semi auto rifle has been declared a machine gun. That much was definitely brought to you by the NRA. If they stand the next president takes it all regardless of what anyone says because muh pen and phone. Thereís also the problem of how this was worded. It in my opinion opens the door to anything that fires too fast for politicians to be made a machine gun in the eyes of the law.
    I would not be surprised if binary triggers are banned next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esh21167 View Post
    The statement that the NRA is the best 2A organization because of history, size, etc. (compared to GOA for example) mirrors the argument that Trump was the best 2016 choice given the alternative (Hillary Clinton).

    But that's the reality of the world we live in. Yes, Trump was the best choice, but he's shown he's not a great friend of gun owners. Yes, the NRA is important because it is the biggest, most influential entity for gun owners, even though it's also showing it's not a great friend recently.

    Maybe I'm just stating the obvious. And as has already been mentioned, the NRA has probably an 80% membership that doesn't care about semi's, bumpstocks, suppressors, etc. So if the other 20% leave, does that send enough of a message? Or does it just make them less influential? And is that better or worse? No easy answer. Except that LaPierre should be gone.
    I agree with you Wayne needs to go, but Trump was not the best choice. Evan McMullin or Darrell Castle would be better than Trump. I don't believe 80% of NRA members do not care about semi's, bumpstocks, suppresors. I like to know where you get your stats. NRA has High Power Rifle Matches where people do use ARs.
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    I think he means overall. And if it's not 80% I do agree it's a significant amount. I've run into these people in person and on other forums. They don't want nor understand why anyone would want anything but a trap shotgun, a bolt action of some kind and a revolver. Everything else is unnecessary and is not sporting. Just like that guy who cut up his AR or the people who claim to be NRA members and say you don't need 30 rounds to hunt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    I think he means overall. And if it's not 80% I do agree it's a significant amount. I've run into these people in person and on other forums. They don't want nor understand why anyone would want anything but a trap shotgun, a bolt action of some kind and a revolver. Everything else is unnecessary and is not sporting. Just like that guy who cut up his AR or the people who claim to be NRA members and say you don't need 30 rounds to hunt
    This could be the moment people like that lose their voice if we can capture the NRA or bury it. Fudd’s they are a decreasing in size group in the gun community. What I run into more than old school fudds these days are the guys that got theirs and don’t care if you get yours. They come shoot their ar with 30 shell clip but want universal background checks. They literally are the traitors to freedom. In today’s age your either all in for freedom or all out. The politics of it necessitates it and any “but” can negate your original premise. Suppressors are a right or nothing’s a right. Ar’s are a right or nothing. 30 shell clips are a right (your still and idiot) or nothing is a right. I believe the reason for this is we are at the precipice of the next big ban and maybe the last big ban. All or nothing time. Traitor or not time.
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