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    Here’s another one who’s finally facing justice. I’ve been keeping track of this case since it went down. I hope he suffers immensely for his entire stretch for what he did to that poor girl and her family. He was a known hothead with 2 complaints of abuse against him already during his 1st 6 months on MPD. It was only a matter of time before he smoked someone for little or no reason.

    I’ll hold my tongue on what I actually hope happens to him in the joint because I’d probably catch a ban. He’ll appeal and lose but remain incarcerated during the proceeding. Sometimes the system actually works.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/ex-minnea...ICTFDsWSB_b6Q0
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    Here's the problem with police work. Most of the time it's boring, it's routine and nothing going on, then all of sudden, it's balls to the wall and adrenalin rushing. Then certain situations require split-second decisions, now that's all ok until you make a mistake, then the world comes down on you. I know there are some people that have no business wearing the uniform and those usually get themselves in a bind sooner or later but I personally know of a few cases where the officer just made a mistake. I'm not trying to justify this officer, I really don't know the case, but It bothers me when I read what I perceive to be hatred towards police officers. I feel bad and have empathy for both the victim and the officer, I'm pretty sure that officer didn't wake up that morning and said I'm going kill someone today. Mistakes do happen and will continue to happen because police officer are human and no amount of training will change that possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyeagle View Post
    School resource officer may not be the same as a police officer. If he was hired by the school district he may fall under some different set of rules.
    This.

    I went to look at Florida statutes, for child neglect he has to be a caregiver like school employee, family member or so. So I went to look what a school resource officer is and the way I read it is that he is a school employee being payed by the school and the sheriff. He has to sign a contract with the school. Since he can be considered a school employee he falls under the caregiver requirement. So I believe this is the route they are taking to go after him but we will have to wait and see how this plays out in the courts.
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    This is like the saying "rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" - only ironically in reverse.

    The Parkland case debunked a couple of the standard libshit talking points about these types of guns.

    (1) "You don't need a gun! The police will protect you!" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Yeah, right...
    (2) "You with your penis extension riflegun! You could never take on trained LEO professionals!" This idiot was the literal class dork with zero training and managed to make the entire sheriff's office of a large county with a population of 2 million quiver in fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russian_bot_5791 View Post
    This is like the saying "rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" - only ironically in reverse.

    The Parkland case debunked a couple of the standard libshit talking points about these types of guns.

    (1) "You don't need a gun! The police will protect you!" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Yeah, right...
    (2) "You with your penis extension riflegun! You could never take on trained LEO professionals!" This idiot was the literal class dork with zero training and managed to make the entire sheriff's office of a large county with a population of 2 million quiver in fear.
    If they can't even defend themselves how do we expect them to defend us, police officers have basically become report takers, and that is what most police officers want to do, take reports. They know if they make a mistake the world will come down on them. Having said that, I agree that this guy was a chicken ship and should be viewed with disgrace...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillRoy View Post
    Here's the problem with police work. Most of the time it's boring, it's routine and nothing going on, then all of sudden, it's balls to the wall and adrenalin rushing. Then certain situations require split-second decisions, now that's all ok until you make a mistake, then the world comes down on you. I know there are some people that have no business wearing the uniform and those usually get themselves in a bind sooner or later but I personally know of a few cases where the officer just made a mistake. I'm not trying to justify this officer, I really don't know the case, but It bothers me when I read what I perceive to be hatred towards police officers. I feel bad and have empathy for both the victim and the officer, I'm pretty sure that officer didn't wake up that morning and said I'm going kill someone today. Mistakes do happen and will continue to happen because police officer are human and no amount of training will change that possibility.
    I am friends with a retired LEO who was with a PD from the mid-1960s to around 1989 or 1990. He says cops today have bad training. Cops are trained to shoot too quickly and can not shoot. Also cops do not take cover and challenge someone even if the person is armed. Cops are suppose to go through the steps for dealing with people. Starting with verbal, then going to hands on, baton, taser, and last gun. Too many cops skip all these steps and go directly for their gun. He said he was trained to be a peace maker. Today cops are trained to make it home. My friend had an incident were another officer was being held at gun point (rifle) by a guy. My friend took cover behind a house so only his head and gun were visible and challenged the guy. The guy dropped the rifle. The guy said the rifle was not loaded. When the guy was being cuffed and stuffed, he reached for the rifle. The officer who had the rifle pointed at him slammed his foot down on the guy's hand, breaking it. My friend opened the rifle and a round came out of the chamber. This guy only got a broken hand, where as today there would have been multiple cops unloading their guns on the guy and he would be dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillRoy View Post
    If they can't even defend themselves how do we expect them to defend us, police officers have basically become report takers, and that is what most police officers want to do, take reports. They know if they make a mistake the world will come down on them. Having said that, I agree that this guy was a chicken ship and should be viewed with disgrace...
    It has been determined in numerous court proceedings, to include at least one state supreme court... NY, that cops are in no way obligated to protect you. In fact I want to say that has been mentioned in the courts even during this shitbag's deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeZulu View Post
    It has been determined in numerous court proceedings, to include at least one state supreme court... NY, that cops are in no way obligated to protect you. In fact I want to say that has been mentioned in the courts even during this shitbag's deal.
    Which is why I believe in guns ownership...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    I am friends with a retired LEO who was with a PD from the mid-1960s to around 1989 or 1990. He says cops today have bad training. Cops are trained to shoot too quickly and can not shoot. Also cops do not take cover and challenge someone even if the person is armed. Cops are suppose to go through the steps for dealing with people. Starting with verbal, then going to hands on, baton, taser, and last gun. Too many cops skip all these steps and go directly for their gun. He said he was trained to be a peace maker. Today cops are trained to make it home. My friend had an incident were another officer was being held at gun point (rifle) by a guy. My friend took cover behind a house so only his head and gun were visible and challenged the guy. The guy dropped the rifle. The guy said the rifle was not loaded. When the guy was being cuffed and stuffed, he reached for the rifle. The officer who had the rifle pointed at him slammed his foot down on the guy's hand, breaking it. My friend opened the rifle and a round came out of the chamber. This guy only got a broken hand, where as today there would have been multiple cops unloading their guns on the guy and he would be dead.
    Criminals are much more violent and quicker to use force today. A lot of F the cops and F you mentality. I have a friend who's a current cop. He's had to draw more than a few times because when he arrived it went from 10 to 1000 instantly. Guys went from agitated to guns drawn in half a heart beat. How many times have you heard of cops being ambushed? It happened here three in just a few years. All 3 times cops were killed.

    Accuracy wise cops weren't any better under stress back then.

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    Life has taught me that opinions are like A-Holes, everybody has one! police work is one of those professions where your dammed if you do and dammed if you don't if you have never worn the uniform then you can only imagine what it's all about. Remember that what took a fraction of a second for the cop, now you have all the time in the world to Monday morning quarterback. I will agree that some things are intolerable and any police officer that willingly and knowingly breaks the rules should be punished. In the case of Pederson, he should be punished for being a coward and should lose what benefits he had coming. I don't agree that he is guilty of child neglect, murder or any other charge that is being pilled on him just to see what sticks. Emotion and anger combined with political manipulation are running this case. The people that will pay the price are law enforcement and us legal gun owners.

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    Your opinion quote is a little incomplete, there Mr Cliche'. You forgot the last part.

    Cops like to play the "if you had to deal with what we have to deal with" card all the time. Guess what? Nobody conscripted them to join a PD and nobody's holding a gun to their heads to stay on board. Who did they think they were going to be dealing with when they were filling out the app, Mr Rogers and Doris Day? No, they're going to be dealing with the scum of Earth who still have civil rights. They're in a public position funded by the public and given immense power considering how quickly they're given it. They need to be above average persons across the board- judgement, coping, patience, fitness, temper, etc, etc, etc and be held to a much higher standard than the average citizen. The problem is they're not and they're become largely a privileged section of society and above many laws.

    As far as "MON AM Quarterbacks" go, there's a lot of non-LE dudes in here with trigger time who are qualified to make a lot of those calls.



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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeZulu View Post
    Your opinion quote is a little incomplete, there Mr Cliche'. You forgot the last part.

    Cops like to play the "if you had to deal with what we have to deal with" card all the time. Guess what? Nobody conscripted them to join a PD and nobody's holding a gun to their heads to stay on board. Who did they think they were going to be dealing with when they were filling out the app, Mr Rogers and Doris Day? No, they're going to be dealing with the scum of Earth who still have civil rights. They're in a public position funded by the public and given immense power considering how quickly they're given it. They need to be above average persons across the board- judgement, coping, patience, fitness, temper, etc, etc, etc and be held to a much higher standard than the average citizen. The problem is they're not and they're become largely a privileged section of society and above many laws.

    As far as "MON AM Quarterbacks" go, there's a lot of non-LE dudes in here with trigger time who are qualified to make a lot of those calls.
    My LEO friend said if you want better cops, cut their salary and get rid of the union. He said they are paid three times what he made and inflation has not gone up three times. He also told me cops used to have to carry a bond on themselves because they could be sued. Now a days, cops have immunity from the city for lawsuits. I am not saying all cops are bad. But some are trained badly and it shows when a cop shoots someone because the cop is scared or shoots a guy in Chicago 18 times when the guy with a knife was walking AWAY from police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Criminals are much more violent and quicker to use force today. A lot of F the cops and F you mentality. I have a friend who's a current cop. He's had to draw more than a few times because when he arrived it went from 10 to 1000 instantly. Guys went from agitated to guns drawn in half a heart beat. How many times have you heard of cops being ambushed? It happened here three in just a few years. All 3 times cops were killed.

    Accuracy wise cops weren't any better under stress back then.
    My LEO friend makes fun of State Troopers. When he was concealed carrying under Bush jr's law that allowed cops including retired ones to carry nationwide, he qualified with State Troopers who start their qualifying shooting at three feet. He said if he was three feet away from someone he would pistol whip them not shot them. He and a retired police chief went shooting with new cops and out-shot them. The new cops never invited them to go shooting again. He said it probably pissed them off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    My LEO friend said if you want better cops, cut their salary and get rid of the union. He said they are paid three times what he made and inflation has not gone up three times. He also told me cops used to have to carry a bond on themselves because they could be sued. Now a days, cops have immunity from the city for lawsuits. I am not saying all cops are bad. But some are trained badly and it shows when a cop shoots someone because he said he is scared or shoots a guy in Chicago 18 times when the guy with a knife was walking AWAY from police.
    That's a very broad statement. It's true for where I live. The townships here pay very well, many are close to 100k within 5 years without OT and there's very little crime here. However, many other places barely pay anything. In my late teens (late 90s) I used to work around a lot of cops and quiet a few worked two jobs to make ends meet. I remember one was a full time cop and a part time general contractor. My friend that I mentioned works two jobs. One as a cop and the other as a part time game warden. Detroit cops start at $38k. Philadelphia PD start at almost $53k yet the median house price is $154k if you want to live in the ghetto. Slightly better area and it's over $200k. A good area house prices are $500k and up......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    My LEO friend makes fun of State Troopers. When he was concealed carrying under Bush jr's law that allowed cops including retired ones to carry nationwide, he qualified with State Troopers who start their qualifying shooting at three feet. He said if he was three feet away from someone he would pistol whip them not shot them. He and a retired police chief went shooting with new cops and out-shot them. The new cops never invited them to go shooting again. He said it probably pissed them off.
    Can't pistol whip anyone anymore.

 

 
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