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    Quote Originally Posted by snakebite View Post
    Nice! I’ve got a bks I need to find or make a slide stop for.
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    Has anyone got one of the newer Star pistols? Impressions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMomma View Post
    Has anyone got one of the newer Star pistols? Impressions?
    ? Newer? Like 1997?

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    The DA 28.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMomma View Post
    The DA 28.
    So the 28, 30 and 31 was their last, all in, attempt to get back into the market. For the time frame they were actually good, solid guns. The 28 had inverted rails, like a CZ and was designed to meet the requirements for US universal service pistol. The 28 actually performed poorly during the trials. Gun manufacturer, user and ammo manufacturer blamed each other. However, in private hands no one seems to complain.

    A good way to look at it is the 30 is an upgraded 28 and the 31 was a refined 30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    So the 28, 30 and 31 was their last, all in, attempt to get back into the market. For the time frame they were actually good, solid guns. The 28 had inverted rails, like a CZ and was designed to meet the requirements for US universal service pistol. The 28 actually performed poorly during the trials. Gun manufacturer, user and ammo manufacturer blamed each other. However, in private hands no one seems to complain.

    A good way to look at it is the 30 is an upgraded 28 and the 31 was a refined 30
    I never heard of these models before. They look ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    Maybe someday I will pick up a Spanish Destroyer Carbine also.
    When I went on my 9mm Largo kick, it was right when Century brought those in. I managed to pick one up, and it's one of the most enjoyable guns to shoot that I own. It's just downright fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    I never heard of these models before. They look ugly.
    I never look at guns that way. Only work or doesn't.

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    I like the Star pistols. I own one of those inexpensive little Model BM (terrible abbreviated suffix way to go Spanish marketing department) that I bought at a LGS a while back. It was made in '78 and wasn't part of this recent batch imported that has the Spanish Guardia Civil crests - two crossed rapier swords under a Roman Fasces - milled out of the slide and frame. I like the fact they were used by both South Africa and Rhodesia in their respective Bush Wars.

    The Star Firestar won Guns and Ammo's "Handgun of The Year" award in 1991. The Star PD .45 was way ahead of its time in regards to the compact 1911 market that is so popular now. I am currently on the lookout for a Star Megastar 10mm which was one of their later models they produced before they went under. Those things are built like a tank and made to handle a diet of FULL POWER 10mm loads (plus Waingro from the film Heat carried one).

    If anyone thinks they are terrible and that Colt's are so much better, remind them that Colt contracted Star to make a .380 called the "Colt Pony" that they then imported and plastered with Colt markings.

    Star's aren't super nice but they aren't bad, either. I'm a fan but not a fanboy. I like em' but I get they aren't for everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russian_bot_5791 View Post

    If anyone thinks they are terrible and that Colt's are so much better, remind them that Colt contracted Star to make a .380 called the "Colt Pony" that they then imported and plastered with Colt markings.
    Colt's Pony is only a blink in the life of the Star company. Which made slides and some internal parts with the frame being made by Colt. Regardless, that partnership dissolved almost as soon as it was created and very few were imported. Iver Johnson picked up the manufacturing rights and some of their early guns had Colt S#s (CPA###)

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    Quote Originally Posted by russian_bot_5791 View Post
    I like the Star pistols. I own one of those inexpensive little Model BM (terrible abbreviated suffix way to go Spanish marketing department) that I bought at a LGS a while back. It was made in '78 and wasn't part of this recent batch imported that has the Spanish Guardia Civil crests - two crossed rapier swords under a Roman Fasces - milled out of the slide and frame. I like the fact they were used by both South Africa and Rhodesia in their respective Bush Wars.

    The Star Firestar won Guns and Ammo's "Handgun of The Year" award in 1991. The Star PD .45 was way ahead of its time in regards to the compact 1911 market that is so popular now. I am currently on the lookout for a Star Megastar 10mm which was one of their later models they produced before they went under. Those things are built like a tank and made to handle a diet of FULL POWER 10mm loads (plus Waingro from the film Heat carried one).

    If anyone thinks they are terrible and that Colt's are so much better, remind them that Colt contracted Star to make a .380 called the "Colt Pony" that they then imported and plastered with Colt markings.

    Star's aren't super nice but they aren't bad, either. I'm a fan but not a fanboy. I like em' but I get they aren't for everybody.
    I think Colts are overrated and overpriced. I know some people will get their panties in a wad about this but it is true. I have two Colt revolvers (a 38 Army Special and a Police Positive Special in .38 Special) but I like my S&W and Ruger revolvers more. I am not saying Colts are junk, just that there are better options at the same or lower cost. Overall Smith and Ruger revolvers are made better, look better, and cost less. If I were to buy a Colt SAA type gun, it would be a Ruger not a Colt. Rugers are made better and cost less. As a friend of mine says "people are paying for the pony". He told me about a guy who kept taking a Colt revolver ( I think a Python) to a gunsmith to have the action honed to make it as good as a Smith. Finally the gunsmith told the guy "why don't you throw that piece of shit in the trash and buy a Smith". S&W revolvers were and still are used by people who can really shoot well. Many were used by cops back when cops could shoot. I think part of why some people think Colts are so great is because the military used some of them. Colt has gone under 3 or 4 times, so they are doing something wrong. Colt lost the M16 and M4 contracts to FN. Most if not all of Colt's guns were designed by someone other than Colt. Browning designed a lot of Colt guns. Some people claim Samuel Colt invented the revolver which he did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    When I went on my 9mm Largo kick, it was right when Century brought those in. I managed to pick one up, and it's one of the most enjoyable guns to shoot that I own. It's just downright fun.
    I've always wanted one of those, but for the scarcity of the ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 43m1garand View Post
    I think Colts are overrated and overpriced. I know some people will get their panties in a wad about this but it is true. I have two Colt revolvers (a 38 Army Special and a Police Positive Special in .38 Special) but I like my S&W and Ruger revolvers more. I am not saying Colts are junk, just that there are better options at the same or lower cost. Overall Smith and Ruger revolvers are made better, look better, and cost less. If I were to buy a Colt SAA type gun, it would be a Ruger not a Colt. Rugers are made better and cost less. As a friend of mine says "people are paying for the pony". He told me about a guy who kept taking a Colt revolver ( I think a Python) to a gunsmith to have the action honed to make it as good as a Smith. Finally the gunsmith told the guy "why don't you throw that piece of shit in the trash and buy a Smith". S&W revolvers were and still are used by people who can really shoot well. Many were used by cops back when cops could shoot. I think part of why some people think Colts are so great is because the military used some of them. Colt has gone under 3 or 4 times, so they are doing something wrong. Colt lost the M16 and M4 contracts to FN. Most if not all of Colt's guns were designed by someone other than Colt. Browning designed a lot of Colt guns. Some people claim Samuel Colt invented the revolver which he did not.
    Some half truths and misinformation.

    Not going to get into looks since that's neither good or bad and has no effect on function or build.

    Current price of classic revolvers is in their desirability and not about use. Current S&W revolvers are pretty bad when it comes to fit. A lot of canted barrels, poor triggers and bad lock ups. This isn't all revolvers but it seems like it's the luck of the draw. Can't speak for the New Colt but it shouldn't be too hard to be better than current S&W.

    Friend stories are anecdotal at best. Like playing broken telephone. Who's to say the Smith just wasn't tired of that customer?

    Don't know about the military but Colt's were used by Police.

    Colt didn't come up with the revolver. He came up with the mechanism that rotated the cylinder when the hammer was curious cocked. Before that cylinders we're indexed by hand

    Colt hasn't gone under 3 or 4 times because they're doing something wrong. They are not a mom and pop company. The name is owned by a different corporation. . In 1994, the assets of Colt were purchased by Zilkha & Co. They keep gutting the company for money, plain and simple. When the corporation needed more money they simply sold off some machinery, when they needed money again they gutted Colt some more. It's like a bottomless piggy bank. Has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with what they actually make.

    Colt didn't loose the contract to FN. The contract was awarded to FN in the late 80s when Colt employees went on a FIVE YEAR strike. They both still make military ARs. That being said those ARs are IDENTICAL because both companies have to follow the military TDP (Technical Data Package). Which means each part is made from the same materials and finished exactly the same since both are following exact specifications outlined by the military. In this case neither version has an advantage over the other.
    https://youtu.be/fk_TxE1d9HY
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    I almost forgot I have a Star 30M. I bought it 20+ years ago when they were selling off the Star pistols etc., after they went out of business.

    All steel construction, double action., double stack mags.

    Not a bad shooter. Though I do not take it out much.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Some half truths and misinformation.

    Not going to get into looks since that's neither good or bad and has no effect on function or build.

    Current price of classic revolvers is in their desirability and not about use. Current S&W revolvers are pretty bad when it comes to fit. A lot of canted barrels, poor triggers and bad lock ups. This isn't all revolvers but it seems like it's the luck of the draw. Can't speak for the New Colt but it shouldn't be too hard to be better than current S&W.

    Friend stories are anecdotal at best. Like playing broken telephone. Who's to say the Smith just wasn't tired of that customer?

    Don't know about the military but Colt's were used by Police.

    Colt didn't come up with the revolver. He came up with the mechanism that rotated the cylinder when the hammer was curious cocked. Before that cylinders we're indexed by hand

    Colt hasn't gone under 3 or 4 times because they're doing something wrong. They are not a mom and pop company. The name is owned by a different corporation. . In 1994, the assets of Colt were purchased by Zilkha & Co. They keep gutting the company for money, plain and simple. When the corporation needed more money they simply sold off some machinery, when they needed money again they gutted Colt some more. It's like a bottomless piggy bank. Has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with what they actually make.

    Colt didn't loose the contract to FN. The contract was awarded to FN in the late 80s when Colt employees went on a FIVE YEAR strike. They both still make military ARs. That being said those ARs are IDENTICAL because both companies have to follow the military TDP (Technical Data Package). Which means each part is made from the same materials and finished exactly the same since both are following exact specifications outlined by the military. In this case neither version has an advantage over the other.
    https://youtu.be/fk_TxE1d9HY
    It took a while for me to respond because I wanted to talk to my friend again about S&W and Colt triggers to make sure I have my information correct. I am not telling half truths or misinformation. That would be you doing that. This is why for years I have said half of what is on gun forums is not true and at least three-fourths of what is on YouTube about guns is not true. I think you like arguing with me. This is the third or fourth time now that you have argued with me. This is the second time you are arguing with me about Smith & Wesson. You hijacked my thread about Star guns to argue with me about Smith & Wesson vs. Colt. You should start your own thread instead of using mine. But anyway, I will correct your misinformation. I own 12 Smith & Wesson guns: 7 revolvers, 3 autos, and 2 ARs with zero quality problems.


    Current price of classic revolvers is in their desirability and not about use.

    - That is because Colts are collector items not for shooting. What is the point of having a gun and not shoot it?


    Current S&W revolvers are pretty bad when it comes to fit. A lot of canted barrels, poor triggers and bad lock ups. This isn't all revolvers but it seems like it's the luck of the draw. Can't speak for the New Colt but it shouldn't be too hard to be better than current S&W.


    - I was checking around about this claim by you, which you are not telling all the facts. I noticed you are a member of Smith & Wesson Forum and people on there more knowledgeable than you said canted barrels are a nonissue. Some things said by members on that forum:

    - The advantage of the 2 Piece barrel is that the outer Shroud is Keyed to the frame and Straight so it does not matter how the inner barrel Indexes.

    - 1977 Colt Detective Special has a canted barrel

    - As a Handloader ,different loads can make a large difference in horizontal dispersion.

    - This is a way way way way overstated problem on the internet.


    Thread on Smith & Wesson Forum about canted barrels


    http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-rev...d-barrels.html


    Friend stories are anecdotal at best. Like playing broken telephone. Who's to say the Smith just wasn't tired of that customer?


    - This tells me you know nothing about the internal workings of Colt and S&W revolvers. Many Colt revolvers have a lot of extra parts that are not needed and makes the trigger pull not as smooth as a S&W revolver. That is why Colt revolvers will never be as smooth as S&W revolvers no matter how much work a gunsmith does on it. My friend has worked on both Colt and S&W revolvers. He told me watch a video on how a S&W works. All S&W’s work the same, the J,K,L,N frames, Top Shelf, Medium or Bottom Shelf, they all work the same. Colt revolvers are not all the same,”Colt Cobra (Better)”, watch youtube videos on how Official Police, Python or Cobra models work. Then watch a video on a total disassembly on the Colt. Then watch a video on S&W’s total disassembly. My friend said Colt has way too many parts which they don’t need. He said watch videos about Colts to see the following:

    1. How Main Springs work
    2. How Safety Bars & Hammers work
    3. Trigger Rebound
    4. How Springs work
    5. The way the cylinder stops works


    Don't know about the military but Colt's were used by Police.

    - I was talking about all Colts not just their revolvers. Just because police or military uses something, that alone does not make it the best. Police and military are government agencies that have budgets, politics, and bureaucracy to deal with when choosing anything whether choosing a gun, a plane, a uniform, a vehicle, and everything else they buy.


    Colt didn't come up with the revolver. He came up with the mechanism that rotated the cylinder when the hammer was curious cocked. Before that cylinders we're indexed by hand

    - I already knew this. Like I said, some people claim he invented the revolver. I watched that video about Colt you linked to. That is funny. Sam Colt did not invent anything himself. Everyone else invented and produced guns for Colt including the very first Colt gun. Colt had an idea for the mechanism to rotate the cylinder but someone else figured out how to make it actually work and Colt patented it. All Sam Colt did was finance and he is called a genius gun maker. John Moses Browning was far more of a genius than Colt.


    Colt hasn't gone under 3 or 4 times because they're doing something wrong. They are not a mom and pop company. The name is owned by a different corporation. . In 1994, the assets of Colt were purchased by Zilkha & Co. They keep gutting the company for money, plain and simple. When the corporation needed more money they simply sold off some machinery, when they needed money again they gutted Colt some more. It's like a bottomless piggy bank. Has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with what they actually make.

    - Not completely true. Colt was not owned by the same people every time they went under. Colt went bankrupt three times that I know of: 1842, 1992, and 2015.
    From Investopedia “ Industry experts cited excessive debt, reduced civilian demand and loss of government contracts as primary reasons for the company's problems. The government exacerbated those problems. The Clinton administration tightened the screws on the personal firearms and ammunition industry by introducing strict gun control measures. A wave of litigation and lawsuits followed, resulting in increased spending by gun lobbyists in Washington. The company's products, which set the standard for the rest of the industry, became also-rans as a flood of discounted competitors hit the market in the 1980s. The company also lost key profitable markets. For starters, law enforcement agencies exchanged their Colt weaponry for Glock's guns. The Austrian weapons manufacturer began by making firearms that were cheaper and lighter than Colt's products. Moreover, they held more ammunition. Glock was not the only one: Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. (now known as American Outdoor Brands Corp.) also introduced similar guns. Both companies reaped the benefits of this innovative approach during America's war on cocaine in the 1980s, when police officers relied more on their weapons in the fight with armed criminals.”



    https://www.investopedia.com/article...t-business.asp

    Colt didn't loose the contract to FN. The contract was awarded to FN in the late 80s when Colt employees went on a FIVE YEAR strike. They both still make military ARs. That being said those ARs are IDENTICAL because both companies have to follow the military TDP (Technical Data Package). Which means each part is made from the same materials and finished exactly the same since both are following exact specifications outlined by the military. In this case neither version has an advantage over the other.

    - Colt did lose the U.S. military M16 contract to FN. I know it was because of a strike. The U.S.military chose Remington to replace Colt as the manufacturer of the M4 but Colt protested. After Colt protested, FN was awarded the M4 contract in 2013. As of 2018, both FN and Colt have contracts to make M4s.

    https://www.military.com/kitup/2013/...ntract-fn.html

    https://www.guns.com/news/2018/11/13...ontract-awards
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