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    possible ww2 items ???

    my nephew came over with some items he bought and had some questions and now I do too , they're not in super shape or anything there is a Japanese Calvary style sword that in pretty sure is real has the three cannon balls and 5 characters on the hilt . and a dagger just like this one
    German WW2 Kriegsmarine Dagger w/Scabbard - Eickhorn | BHG Appraisals

    what threw me off is the English word original on the blade is that normal for ww2 dagger or is it a copy?

    there also a bolt action rifle like pre ww2 that I have no idea about no real markings other than serial # , I can do pics later

    and couple other swords
    WTB laminate stocked russian sks and m38
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    Sounds like a repro. Shouldn't be any english writing on it at all.
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    A google search shows that "original" is a word in the german language.

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    That is the correct Carl Eickhorn maker mark used from 1935-1942. There were a few different variations of his famous squirrel trademark, fonts, and position of the words during this time period.

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    Looking forward to the pics.
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    "... and couple other swords "

    I think you've got everybody's attention now.

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    I'm at work but I should be able to get pics up today , yeah I was pretty sure the dagger was real the fakes don't have all the little details. I think the rifle is Japanese to. No the other two sword are not ww2 , one is like a mason type sword with someone's name one it and the other wasn't interesting either
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    Interested in seeing what you have!
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    the rifle and bayonet.




    sword and dagger




    the others one is a knights of Columbus the other not sure but it was made here and mi


    Last edited by yagermeister; 02-14-2015 at 12:11 PM.
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    rifle looks jap, look for a mum flower [or ground off] top front part of the receiver. I like the pretty silver sword

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    The rifle is a Japanese Type-I (as in "i"). The bayonet is a Toyada Jido Shokki Seisakusho Arsenal Type 30, variation D (Labar) LB-143 with a rating of "common 2". I like this particular T30 pattern. It would be interesting if both bayonet & rifle were acquired together.

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    that explains the lack of markings...thanks
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    The 'silver' sword looks like a Knights Templar Masonic one.

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    A few observations and general comments on your 2nd Model Kriegsmarine Dagger:

    The 2nd Model was introduced on 20 April 1938 to coincide with Hitler’s birthday. The design of the 2nd Model Naval Pattern Dagger was very similar to the First model. The primary differences were found in the pommel and the crossguard. The 1st Pattern (Model 1929), had a round pommel top. After 1938, Naval Dirks received a pommel change which depicted a closed-winged eagle which clutched a wreathed swastika. Wearing of the Navy dagger was discontinued in December 1944.

    Your 2nd Model KM has the Eickhorn trademark used from 1935-1941; a squirrel looking to the viewer's left, holding a sword. Note that the squirrel on Post 1941 Eickhorn’s is the “over-the-shoulder” type.

    Your scabbard appears to be the traditional “lightning bolt” type or "Hammered Finish" decoration, which is correct. The portepee you have appears to be NCO Portepee. The correct Portepee that was authorized for wear was a 42 cm (16.5”) Silver bullion or Aluminum Portepee (later portepees were made from rayon material). The slide and stem has a “V” pattern weave, and a silver bullion acorn that has a gray twisted woven string like fabric-style insert, and the correct knot is a Naval Reef Knot tie (see below for reference – not mine).



    Can’t see from your pics but there were three different pommels. The differences are very subtle but you can see the transition. Yours is likely the standard Eickhorn (right), which would indicate your dagger was manufactured between 1938-1941. The 1938 replacement pommel (left) is an indication that the dagger was produced prior to 1938, and the changeover would generally indicate very early 1938 production (see below for reference).
    Last edited by Bunker9939; 02-16-2015 at 02:34 AM.

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    This is why I come here with my questions ! Thanks! Also what do you think it's all worth ball park guess ? Nephew wants 300$ seems high , he probably got it dirt cheep
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