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    G3 made in FRANCE? YES - they did!

    A long time ago I learned that the French company MAS manufactured licensed copies G3 pattern rifles. What baffles me is why they would bother - why they wouldn't just buy them from Germany.

    In all the years I've owned G3 type rifles I'd only seen ONE MAS produced kit in the US - it was on gunbroker years ago with an intact barrel.

    Today I'm poking around gunbroker while I wait for traffic to die down.

    I find this - post 86 sample MAS G3 made in 1971.

    Very cool to see.

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/793456141
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPiKM-72 View Post
    What baffles me is why they would bother - why they wouldn't just buy them from Germany.
    Probably were still sore over that "war" stuff from a few years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPiKM-72 View Post
    A long time ago I learned that the French company MAS manufactured licensed copies G3 pattern rifles. What baffles me is why they would bother - why they wouldn't just buy them from Germany.

    In all the years I've owned G3 type rifles I'd only seen ONE MAS produced kit in the US - it was on gunbroker years ago with an intact barrel.

    Today I'm poking around gunbroker while I wait for traffic to die down.

    I find this - post 86 sample MAS G3 made in 1971.

    Very cool to see.

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/793456141
    That's pretty cool. I learned something interesting today. Do you have any info on if they ever fielded them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye View Post
    Probably were still sore over that "war" stuff from a few years back.
    Everyone was on vacation, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sacn_bCj8tQ
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    Ironically, the steel that HK uses comes from France.

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    Strangely, R. Blake Stevens omitted France from his list of licensed manufacturers in "Full Circle." Skips right from Columbia to Greece.

    Hk's marketing philosophy was rooted in selling both the license to manufacture the rifles and the tooling and know-how to set up the factories to client countries. Clients would pay royalties for each rifle made up to a certain point, then owned the rights free and clear.

    Even without any hard feelings between former combatants, I'd presume most countries would want the ability to control the production themselves.
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    Countries have a hard time buying guns made elsewhere, and the French are no exception. It's awful tough to explain why you have people out of work, but you are buying rifles made next door in Germany when you could make them yourself and employ your own people. France is no exception to this, and with strong trade unions, and the politics there, it's not surprising that they'd make their own. Heck, the USA does the same thing when selecting for contracts. You get bonus selection points (to the point of it virtually being a requirement) if it's made in the USA.

    I'd be interested in why they made them though. Was it for police use? Export for a former colony? Possible route for a 7.62MM NATO caliber rifle if they contemplated switching from 7.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    Countries have a hard time buying guns made elsewhere, and the French are no exception. It's awful tough to explain why you have people out of work, but you are buying rifles made next door in Germany when you could make them yourself and employ your own people. France is no exception to this, and with strong trade unions, and the politics there, it's not surprising that they'd make their own. Heck, the USA does the same thing when selecting for contracts. You get bonus selection points (to the point of it virtually being a requirement) if it's made in the USA.

    I'd be interested in why they made them though. Was it for police use? Export for a former colony? Possible route for a 7.62MM NATO caliber rifle if they contemplated switching from 7.5?
    Not sustainable

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    You dug up this necro thread why?
    I was all excited to see something new to me until the GB link came up dead then was like WTF?
    I don't "run" my guns or "run" anything on them. Likewise, none of my guns are "platforms".

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKshooter View Post
    You dug up this necro thread why?
    I was all excited to see something new to me until the GB link came up dead then was like WTF?
    Sometimes old threads pop up and you read without looking at the time stamp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Sometimes old threads pop up and you read without looking at the time stamp
    Oh, not you, this Ross guy. I should have quoted the post.
    I don't "run" my guns or "run" anything on them. Likewise, none of my guns are "platforms".

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    I saved the pictures.







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    That "MADE IN FRANCE" stamping is odd. Looks like it was done at the factory. not by an importer, since it's underneath the finish.

    Why would the French mark it in English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard W. View Post
    That "MADE IN FRANCE" stamping is odd. Looks like it was done at the factory. not by an importer, since it's underneath the finish.

    Why would the French mark it in English?
    I dunno. Might have been touched up. I've drizzled a little parkerizing solution on a scratch to improve the appearance with decent results.

    The stamp reminds me of the EBO rifles imported by Springfield Armory that had MADE IN GREECE crudely applied.

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    So they got the license. Did you ever see the video on how the G-3 is produced?

    It's not that overtly complicated, hell, Pakistan and Iran and even the Greeks make it.

    So if MAS had it, it most likely was in league with before the FAMAS debacle and finding a replacement rifle project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRDUBI View Post
    So they got the license. Did you ever see the video on how the G-3 is produced?

    It's not that overtly complicated, hell, Pakistan and Iran and even the Greeks make it.

    So if MAS had it, it most likely was in league with before the FAMAS debacle and finding a replacement rifle project.
    Oh yes - I have seen and do love that video. I hold my 1974 HK91 while watching and tell it "There's where you were made."

    I think the most valuable secret in the license package is how to install the sights where the final assembled rifle has straight sights.

    It might have been a stop gap measure when the French were in between rifles. Would be interesting to know.
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