Any interest in an effective 24mm flash hider?

[Dawg180]

We made some minor adjustments to the CNC program today that should help a touch more in flash supression.

Sven

[UrbanRunner]

Any new updates on this project? I did not see any reference to AK rifles on the Manticore website.

[Dawg180]

Any new updates on this project? I did not see any reference to AK rifles on the Manticore website.

They are in production right now, i do not have an exact eta but i would expect them to be ready first week of december give or take.

Lol, i actually have it on the to do list to get the 'placeholder' listing up on the website so that anyone seeing our press in this months small arms review will know we have them coming out soon.

i get to wear a lot of hats including website manager. :)

[jimdigriz]

How much does the new flash hider weigh?

Thanks.

[Dawg180]

How much does the new flash hider weigh?

Thanks.

Approximately 3.4 ounces.

For reference the standard AK-74 brake weighs 3.8 ounces, and the Russian Krinkov muzzle booster weighs 3.5 ounces.

The placeholder description for the AK-74 flash hider is now up on www.manticorearms.com

If you want to be notified when they are available, just send an email to notification@manticorearms.com, or you can just send me a PM with your email address and I will add you to the list.

[jamesavery22]

Any flash suppression review from Ol'sarge2k yet?

[Dawg180]

Any flash suppression review from Ol'sarge2k yet?

He doesn't have one in hand yet.

As I mentioned we made a few minor changes, we are shipping one to him as soon as it is finished up.

[jimdigriz]

How much does the new flash hider weigh?

Thanks.

Approximately 3.4 ounces.

For reference the standard AK-74 brake weighs 3.8 ounces, and the Russian Krinkov muzzle booster weighs 3.5 ounces.

So the primary benefit is the reduced length? Or is it also expected to be more effective at reducing flash than the Bulgarian style flash hider? EDIT: Oops, I see you said "more effective" at the beginning of the thread.

[Dawg180]

How much does the new flash hider weigh?

Thanks.

Approximately 3.4 ounces.

For reference the standard AK-74 brake weighs 3.8 ounces, and the Russian Krinkov muzzle booster weighs 3.5 ounces.

So the primary benefit is the reduced length? Or is it also expected to be more effective at reducing flash than the Bulgarian style flash hider? EDIT: Oops, I see you said "more effective" at the beginning of the thread.

Yes, the benefits are that it is an inch shorter, a touch lighter, and expected to be equally or more effective than the Bulgy AR-1(?) flash hider. It also is a U.S. made part, and will pass and bullet up to 0.311" (7.62mm) in diameter, which a lot of muzzle devices for the 24mm won't.

It also is designed to lock down with minimal to no wobble with the multiple detent notches, and has minimal surfaces and no internal chambers to catch powder and crud.

...oh, and it looks neat.

[jimdigriz]

Yes, the benefits are that it is an inch shorter, a touch lighter, and expected to be equally or more effective than the Bulgy AR-1(?) flash hider. It also is a U.S. made part, and will pass and bullet up to 0.311" (7.62mm) in diameter, which a lot of muzzle devices for the 24mm won't.

It also is designed to lock down with minimal to no wobble with the multiple detent notches, and has minimal surfaces and no internal chambers to catch powder and crud.

...oh, and it looks neat.

Sounds good. I'm in for one, assuming the price is reasonable. (And to think that I assured my long-suffering wife that I was done buying things for/making modifications to my SGL31!).

[Dawg180]

Oops, I realized I actually made a typo in the above post, the MA-600 AK-74 flash hider weighs only 2.6 ounces, so it is over an ounce lighter than any other flash hider currently available.

Sven

[Dawg180]

We were able to do testing last night with both a Bulgarian AK-74 and an Arsenal SLR-106. We can officially say that the Manticore Arms MA-600 "Nightshroud" flash hider is the shortest, lightest, most effective flash hider available for 24mm threaded guns.


We took video, I will be getting it up on Youtube this weekend, our Youtube channel is http://www.youtube.com/manticorearms


The flash hiders will be listed for sale on the website by Monday morning (possibly a bit sooner!) at http://www.manticorearms.com


Sven
Manticore Arms

[halmbarte]

Any word on how much coin I'm going to have to drop to get one of these?

H

[Dawg180]

Any word on how much coin I'm going to have to drop to get one of these?

H

The MSRP will be $39.95.


Sven

[halmbarte]

We were able to do testing last night with both a Bulgarian AK-74 and an Arsenal SLR-106. We can officially say that the Manticore Arms MA-600 "Nightshroud" flash hider is the shortest, lightest, most effective flash hider available for 24mm threaded guns.


We took video, I will be getting it up on Youtube this weekend, our Youtube channel is http://www.youtube.com/manticorearms


The flash hiders will be listed for sale on the website by Monday morning (possibly a bit sooner!) at http://www.manticorearms.com


Sven
Manticore Arms

Any chance you tested these to see what effect they will have on accuracy? I had one of the Bulgy flash hiders but it almost doubled my group size compared to the brake or thread protector.

And while I'm bugging you, any chance you'll be making a Krink booster?

H

[Dawg180]

We were able to do testing last night with both a Bulgarian AK-74 and an Arsenal SLR-106. We can officially say that the Manticore Arms MA-600 "Nightshroud" flash hider is the shortest, lightest, most effective flash hider available for 24mm threaded guns.


We took video, I will be getting it up on Youtube this weekend, our Youtube channel is http://www.youtube.com/manticorearms


The flash hiders will be listed for sale on the website by Monday morning (possibly a bit sooner!) at http://www.manticorearms.com


Sven
Manticore Arms

Any chance you tested these to see what effect they will have on accuracy? I had one of the Bulgy flash hiders but it almost doubled my group size compared to the brake or thread protector.

And while I'm bugging you, any chance you'll be making a Krink booster?

H

After reading your post I packed up the rifles and went straight to the range. The Nightshroud Flash Hider (what it is officially called now) does not affect the base accuracy of the rifle. I also shot it against a bulgarian flash hider and the groups with the Nightshroud were better.

We don't have any plans for a Krink booster at this time as there are a lot of copies of the Bulgarian 'soup can' being made. That being said, if the market demands it we can certainly look into a combo booster/flash hider, we are always willing to develop new products if the market wants them.

Sven
M

[jimdigriz]

Great news all around. Can we get some pics please, both attached to a rifle and separate?

Thanks.

[longfletch27]

tag for awsome'ness....need 2

[Dawg180]

Here you go:

[Dawg180]

The NightShroud Flash Hider is now offically for sale at http://www.manticorearms.com

Youtube videos are up at http://www.youtube.com/manticorearms

Sven

[jimdigriz]

The NightShroud Flash Hider is now offically for sale at http://www.manticorearms.com

Youtube videos are up at http://www.youtube.com/manticorearms

Sven

Sven, thanks for the videos. I admit to being a little disappointed, though. The performance of the new flash hider appears to be very impressive, but really the three different muzzle devices ought to be tested with the same gun and the same kind of ammo, if we are to have a better sense of their relative performance. Also, it would be good if you could shine a flashlight on the muzzle devices as you describe them, and cut it off just prior to firing.

Anyhow, thanks again. I will probably be purchasing one of these soon.

Jim

[Dawg180]

The NightShroud Flash Hider is now offically for sale at http://www.manticorearms.com

Youtube videos are up at http://www.youtube.com/manticorearms

Sven

Sven, thanks for the videos. I admit to being a little disappointed, though. The performance of the new flash hider appears to be very impressive, but really the three different muzzle devices ought to be tested with the same gun and the same kind of ammo, if we are to have a better sense of their relative performance. Also, it would be good if you could shine a flashlight on the muzzle devices as you describe them, and cut it off just prior to firing.

Anyhow, thanks again. I will probably be purchasing one of these soon.

Jim

Jim,

If you look at all the videos on the Youtube channel, we did test with the same gun and ammo and there are *four* videos- three of them are the NightShroud, AK-74 brake, and Bulgarian AR-1 flash hider with XM193 ammo through an SLR-106, and then there was also a video of the Nightshroud on a Bulgarian AK-74 with 5.45 ammo. I will reorganize and re name the videos to make that more clear.

Due to some technical issues (i.e. the bulb in my surefire popped! ) we did not have a light to shine on the gun. I actually was loading mags and the rifle in the pitch black.

The point of the video was comparative- you can plainly see the Nightshroud is the most consistently effective of the devices tested, and you can see that it is equally effective with 5.45 as with 5.56

[jimdigriz]

If you look at all the videos on the Youtube channel, we did test with the same gun and ammo and there are *four* videos- three of them are the NightShroud, AK-74 brake, and Bulgarian AR-1 flash hider with XM193 ammo through an SLR-106, and then there was also a video of the Nightshroud on a Bulgarian AK-74 with 5.45 ammo. I will reorganize and re name the videos to make that more clear.

Due to some technical issues (i.e. the bulb in my surefire popped! ) we did not have a light to shine on the gun. I actually was loading mags and the rifle in the pitch black.

The point of the video was comparative- you can plainly see the Nightshroud is the most consistently effective of the devices tested, and you can see that it is equally effective with 5.45 as with 5.56

My mistake. Thanks for the clarification.

[Dawg180]

If you look at all the videos on the Youtube channel, we did test with the same gun and ammo and there are *four* videos- three of them are the NightShroud, AK-74 brake, and Bulgarian AR-1 flash hider with XM193 ammo through an SLR-106, and then there was also a video of the Nightshroud on a Bulgarian AK-74 with 5.45 ammo. I will reorganize and re name the videos to make that more clear.

Due to some technical issues (i.e. the bulb in my surefire popped! ) we did not have a light to shine on the gun. I actually was loading mags and the rifle in the pitch black.

The point of the video was comparative- you can plainly see the Nightshroud is the most consistently effective of the devices tested, and you can see that it is equally effective with 5.45 as with 5.56

My mistake. Thanks for the clarification.

No problem. I am still a bit of a Youtube newb myself.

[jamesavery22]

Awesome. I'm sold on the FH effectiveness. Price too. Just want to know Ol'sarge2k's tests in terms of a short 8" barrel reliability without the booster.