todd told me I asked. orf paid for all new kits and received refurbed ones as you described. my hands were turning orange and swelled up after matching serials with owner jj laying all kits out on floor reading serials matching them few days at a time. the bluing salts were seeping out of em and wax bluing inhibitor or grease and sheetmetal cuts slicing thru my rubber gloves. they tore my hands up pretty bad. 7 semi truck loads of 74 stuff came in all at once. I think todd actually got em from an importer he met at shot show maybe hesse. that's the way bulgys refurbed those. hot immersion blue hastily done except of carrier groups and trig parts on some of em.