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    "Some intermediate calibers being tested include the .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor, .264 USA as well as other non-commercial intermediate
    calibers, including cased telescoped ammo, Army officials said."


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    Advances take place and things become replaced when they become irrelevant.
    The M4 is at this time still very relevant. Advances in ammunition technology make the 5.56 round better all of the time.
    It might be more important for the Military to keep up with advances in ammunition than to seek out a replacement for a good weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAAK's View Post
    "Some intermediate calibers being tested include the .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor, .264 USA as well as other non-commercial intermediate
    calibers, including cased telescoped ammo, Army officials said."


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    I have no idea why they are trying to reinvent the wheel. There was substantial testing in calibers in the late 40s and early 50s, and 7mm did very well. I would expect a caliber like that mated with new and improved powders would also perform well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMomma View Post
    The Military will get around to replacing the M16 series sooner or later. When they do, I hope they take a good look at the SCAR, or something like it in 6.8, or 7mm short.
    I had a chance to play around with a SCAR light several years ago, and all in all, it was not bad. A good friend of mine in SF said they had lots of problems with the stocks breaking on the SCAR light, but he had lots of praise for the SCAR heavy he used in Asscrackastan with an Elcan scope.
    You mean the hinge?

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    260 is a great round and easy to convert 762 nato weapons to. man i would love a scar in 260 rem.
    im surprised the scar l have that problem and not the scar h i would have thought the hinge was the same.
    mike, if the military got away from 5.56 for some reason, at the prices of ammo right now i dont know if producing 5.56 nonstop for the public would be good for business. its already flooded i think.
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    Those who forget history are condemmed to repeat it.

    The XM16E1 was supposed to be a temporaray purchase.

    Since then we have had the SPIW, ACR, XM8, HK416, SCAR-L, reissues of the M14, and more... And at the end of the day, we buy more M-16 types....

    Same old story; Rather then fix what needs to be fixed, which is more training, they want to buy a new rifle.

    Also, Lake City is a quasi Gov't owned facility. IF/WHEN the Military changes from 5.56, LC will change as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    You mean the hinge?

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    That's what he told me. Stocks were breaking as well.
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    I also see this as a way to stop us civilian's having the 5.56 round anymore. What will happen if they do switch to a 30 cal round, one the military will sell off it's stock pile of 5.56 to the civilian market. When that runs out, we would only have a small amount being made for the common gun owner market, this would then drive up the price of .223/5.56 ammo everywhere since most of the ammo we do purchase on the civilian market is military left overs or out dated ammo that they didn't need. I see this as a huge push in the direction of gun control, they know they cannot remove the AR 15 from us common folk so take away our ammo by having the military switch calibers. I also agree that the 5.56 round in the M27 is effective enough if the solider was trained more correctly on the usage of that caliber. I have seen that round take a razor back bore at 300+ yards with out the bore even running, one shot & down. So it's not the ammo it's the improper training they are getting on how to use it.

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    The military moving away from 556 is a form of fun control? Seriously?

    Waaaaaaaaaay too many 556 rifles out there for manufacturers not to make it!

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    None of these are military leftovers.

    Even if that were true we'd get the next caliber they pick

    And then there's the 223 which is not military.

    How hard is it to get 3006? When was the last time the US military used that in any great quantity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    The military moving away from 556 is a form of fun control? Seriously?

    Waaaaaaaaaay too many 556 rifles out there for manufacturers not to make it!

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    None of these are military leftovers.

    Even if that were true we'd get the next caliber they pick

    And then there's the 223 which is not military.

    How hard is it to get 3006? When was the last time the US military used that in any great quantity?

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    They still make good old 30.06 well over a hundred years after its Military adoption. %.56 will be around when our grand children are old.
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    People forget that before the GWOT and Lake City (and a few others) started to sell overrun M855, the 62gr "Green tip" ammo was pretty hard to find.

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    Maybe so but 556 wasn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Maybe so but 556 wasn't

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    That's exactly my point.

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    I don't see it happening any time soon, unless someone has developed some sort of massive leap forward in technology that is still a secret.

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    https://www.armed-services.senate.go...s_05-17-17.pdf

    Statement for the Record Senate Armed Services Committee: Airland Subcommittee May 18, 2017-MG Robert H. Scales, USA (Ret) - Soldier Systems Daily


    The new rifle requirements document will be one page. It will speculate only six characteristics:
    · First the rifle must be modular capable of being converted in the field to a carbine, rifle, machine gun or sniper rifle.
    · Second, it will fire an intermediate caliber bullet probably a military version of the venerable Remington 270.
    · Third, the rifle will be suppressed. A muzzle suppressor greatly reduces a rifle’s report and in the confusion of a close fight a quieter rifle gives a decided advantage.
    · Fourth, the new rifle will use a solid recoiling action like most first-rate assault rifles.
    · Fifth, the rifle should have a snap on digital sight capable of killing reliably to a range in excess of 1,000 meters.
    · Sixth, the rifle should be able to fire ammunition in a polymer casing. Polymer rounds weigh 30% less than brass cartridge casings.
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